What is employers' problem

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Xikams wrote: »

I keep repeating that my posts here are not reflective of my real world self.

No matter how hard you try an experienced interviewer will see right through you.

If you really believe a 1/4 of the stuff you have posted on this thread then that will be why you are not getting the jobs.


On reading the first post my first thought was, this chap will be telling us how we do things wrong within a week, potentially too disruptive.

Many places just cannot take that risk unless specifically looking to change but then they want people with managing change experiences not a smart ***.

theoretica

Xikams wrote: »

So you recruit. That makes you no expert.

On the contrary, whoever is recruiting is the expert where it matters to you - in who is going to gets those jobs!

Xikams wrote: »

I bet your MD of your brand is a man. And your CEO is a man. And your life is filled with men who built everything from the sewer to the sky; all built by men. And our philosophy: our ideas of sexuality, identity, wonder, all built by men surely as if they were buildings in themselves.

It doesn't follow from that that any single man has any personal ability to build sewers, be CEO, or excel in any other field. What matters nowadays are the abilities of a specific person and what they have achieved after being born with or without a Y chromosome.

Most people, men and women, manage to communicate with and work with both men and women just fine.

Tiddlywinks

Might I just recommend some reading material for you?

SUMO - Shut Up and Move On

This really is a serious recommendation.

You appear to have issues with the way you see the world based on your past experiences... maybe it's time to have a think about that.

Also on a serious note - you really are coming across as bitter, sarcastic, misogynistic and unable to have a conversation. You may think you are addressing the comments but you aren't really - you are using your responses to just continue an argument that really is not to your benefit.

You came here to get opinions on recruitment - please, try to listen rather than just lash out.

Before you just come back with a 'you've got it wrong and you're stupid' reply, maybe consider that this is how I see your input. My perception of your actions... OK, I don't matter as I'm a faceless keyboard tapper BUT if you appear in real life even a quarter as sarcastic and bitter as you do on here then you need to rethink your stance and reactions.

Xikams

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Might I just recommend some reading material for you?

SUMO - Shut Up and Move On

You may. You can do whatever you want. Please extract the specific passages which enchained personal meaning your life. I'll wait with baited breath.

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

You appear to have issues with the way you see the world based on your past experiences... maybe it's time to have a think about that.

Just because I am agitated doesn't mean to say I am an agitator. This seems to be such a fundamental problem. I shall overlook it.

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

Also on a serious note - you really are coming across as bitter, sarcastic, misogynistic and unable to have a conversation. You may think you are addressing the comments but you aren't really - you are using your responses to just continue an argument that really is not to your benefit.

I wish you would just talk about jobs.

Having my own perspective, ideas, and morality, is not a problem. It is maturity. One must develop their own eyes and hears to the world in their own free choosing, however wild or imaginative. Otherwise, it's a comical waste of time.

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

You came here to get opinions on recruitment - please, try to listen rather than just lash out.

Before you just come back with a 'you've got it wrong and you're stupid' reply, maybe consider that this is how I see your input. My perception of your actions... OK, I don't matter as I'm a faceless keyboard tapper BUT if you appear in real life even a quarter as sarcastic and bitter as you do on here then you need to rethink your stance and reactions.

Well I'm sure you're a nice person, obviously as you have spent the time to talk to me. But when are you going to be ready to talk about jobs? You continue to drive away into arbitrary areas and lament in the process that it is happening. Is it so hard to treat me like an adult? Why not just answer me plainly?

sangie595

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

What do you think should recommend you for a job?

Why have you failed to keep any of the jobs you have had in the past?

Slinky

Why not start your own business and to hell with working for somebody else?

ScorpiondeRooftrouser

Slinky wrote: »

Why not start your own business and to hell with working for somebody else?

It's a bit of a myth that having your own business means you are not working for somebody else. In reality having your own business generally means you are working for multiple people, i.e., your customers.

The advantage is that the more of them you have, the more you can afford to **** one of them off.

If however you habitually tend to fall out with everybody, you are not going to stay in business very long.

TBagpuss

Do you deny that it's a man's world? The most ardent feminist screams blue bloody murder about it all day. Some men are tired of it too, including me. I'm tired of having to treat women as extra special and like lost, confused children, who need their manager, basically a parent to comfort them. In some ways; and you've helped me to learn: recruiters, when women, are not looking for employees, but parenters. They need their daddy. The extra work to deal with women is withering. It's infuriating, repulsive and upsetting.

Now, sometimes, you see men of the opposite. You can see them easily, when they reveal their hesitation to decision-making. Sometimes, a woman can be in charge and do it right. I respect that. But on a regular basis, the man does that bit. And you destruct your opportunity otherwise. As a jobseeker, that's not something I can afford. Can you see where I'm coming from?

the world is not yet equal, and feminists, like most decent huuman beins, recognise that more work is needed to ensure that people are treated more equally.

However, your attitude that women are looking for father figures or want to be told what to do is as inaccurate as it is ridiculous and offensive.

When I recruit, I am looking for someone who can do the job, and who can treat their colleagues with respect, and who can accept instructions from those senior to them and give appropriate instructions to those junior t them. I actively look to avoid recruiting anyone who cannot accept other staff members as their equal, or as their manager, due to prejudices about gender, race or sexuality or any other charateristic unrelated to their position.

So you recruit. That makes you no expert. Nor does it rely that you contain the bravery to seek information, let alone extrapolate it. I bet your MD of your brand is a man. And your CEO is a man. And your life is filled with men who built everything from the sewer to the sky; all built by men. And our philosophy: our ideas of sexuality, identity, wonder, all built by men surely as if they were buildings in themselves.

I haven't claimed it makes me an expert. I have simply given some information about what I look for when I am interviewing, and about the fact that such attitudes as you have are not as easy to conceal as you appear to think.

For what it is worth, I co-own my business. We don't have a single CEO. We have a mix of male and female partners. During the 10 years I have been a part owner of the business, we have had periods where there have been more male than female partners, and periods when there have been more female than male partners. Since we recruit partnes based on merit not gender, that is unsurprising. So no, my 'CEO' is not a man. My MD is not a man. My male parters have no difficulty at all in recognising that they, andI, have equal authority within our business.

I find your assumption that histoic male dominance excuses current sexism to be illogical and irrelevant to job-hunting, but as you seem to think the issue of who built properties is relvant I can comment that my house was built in 1927 so yes, it was almost certianly built by men. But I had a lot of work done to it last year and guess what, several of the tradespeople who worked on it were women.

In EVERY scenario, and it's ridiculous to approach otherwise, the woman relies on the man to be told: what to do. If I was a woman, in this society, I would know that essentially, and eventually, my existance would depend on a man telling me what to do. And I would be treated like a child. No, less than that: like an object. Now, as an adult, I must now be tasked with people who are unhappy when they are not treated like objects. What do you do?

Seriously? I've been trying, and I can't think of a single woman I know who fits into that pattern.

Try not treating people objects. Try treating women like the adult human beings that they are. Try recognising that the problem here is breath taking ignorance and prejudice.

Yes, women still face discrimination. Your apparent belief that that justifies your treating women with contempt is bizarre, illogical and, as you are finding in your job search, ineffective.

bugslet

Xikams wrote: »

In EVERY scenario, and it's ridiculous to approach otherwise, the woman relies on the man to be told: what to do. If I was a woman, in this society, I would know that essentially, and eventually, my existance would depend on a man telling me what to do. And I would be treated like a child. No, less than that: like an object. Now, as an adult, I must now be tasked with people who are unhappy when they are not treated like objects. What do you do?


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You're funny, though I doubt that's your intention.

Started with a couple of vans, now run a mixed fleet of 20 vehicles + trailers over two sites. That's me and not me and Mr bugs. The whole idea that in every scenario I expect someone to tell me what to do beggars belief, I spend my entire day telling other people what to do and making decisions.

Most of my vehicles are double-manned - all I can think is what would it be like to be stuck in a cab with you all day:eek:. Please stick to IT. Please.