cyclists turned right when i overtook

AdrianC

rich13348 wrote: »

I'm not making you use any words AdrianC you use whatever words you want.

The whole point of using words is to communicate your meaning as simply and unambiguously as possible.

Nobody I have spoken has every had trouble understanding inside or outside, until you of course. Maybe that says more about you than me?

So is the "inside" lane, the one on the inside of the road, nearest the centre?
And how would you refer to the lanes on a four-lane stretch?

Car_54

rich13348 wrote: »

I'm not making you use any words AdrianC you use whatever words you want.
Nobody I have spoken has every had trouble understanding inside or outside, until you of course. Maybe that says more about you than me?

Adrian is not alone. It is difficult enough to understand most written reports of accidents without the unnecessary use of ambiguous terms.

Have you ever had to unravel an account of an incident involving a roundabout, where the participant refers to moving from the "inside" lane (does he mean 2?) to the "outside" lane (1?) on the R/A before exiting to the "inside" lane (1?) on the new road?

bod1467

Adrian ... the only one being made to look a fool by this line of questioning is yourself, sorry. Almost everyone I know understands the naming convention rich used.

I agree that a 4 lane highway would require other consideration, but there aren't really that many of them. (At least not on the roads I usually use).

AdrianC

bod1467 wrote: »

Adrian ... the only one being made to look a fool by this line of questioning is yourself, sorry. Almost everyone I know understands the naming convention rich used.

I understand what he means - but I think it's a really bloody stupid way of referring to them, positively counter-intuitive.

I agree that a 4 lane highway would require other consideration, but there aren't really that many of them. (At least not on the roads I usually use).

You need to get out a lot more. There's plenty of four-lane or more motorways, and the number is only going to increase.

Joe_Horner wrote: »

Besides which, giving them numbers does beg the question of are they numbered from left to right or right to left?

They're always, unambiguously, numbered from the outside of the road, the kerb/shoulder side, to the inside of the road, the central reservation/opposite carriageway side. L1 is the first lane, the one you should always be using unless overtaking. L2+ are the ones that you should only be using for overtaking.

rich13348

AdrianC wrote: »

The whole point of using words is to communicate your meaning as simply and unambiguously as possible.



So is the "inside" lane, the one on the inside of the road, nearest the centre?
And how would you refer to the lanes on a four-lane stretch?

The inside lane or slow lane or even crawler lane in your terms is lane 1, middle is lane 2, outside, fast or overtaking lane is lane 3. I have never actually had to describe lane 3 of a 4 lane motorway other than saying you need to be in the next lane over etc while in the car. I hope this explains my system that you apparently have never heard before.

Cash-Strapped.T32

rich13348 wrote: »

I'm not making you use any words AdrianC you use whatever words you want.
Nobody I have spoken has every had trouble understanding inside or outside, until you of course. Maybe that says more about you than me?

In fairness, I think the same way when I'm talking or thinking something through in my head, although I know some/most people differ - it's often a bit confusing when someone says in conversation "I was in the inside/outside lane when..." and I have to do a quick mental reverse of the situation that I had imagined.

To me, it seems entirely logical that the part of the road closest to the middle would be the inner, and that closest to the outside edge (where the road ends and the pavement begins), would be the outer...

*EDIT* Out of pure interest, why do most people seem to call the easily defined outer edge the "inside", and the equally clearly defined inner edge the "outside"?
Anyone got a clue?

dannyrst

Cash-Strapped.T32 wrote: »

In fairness, I think the same way when I'm talking or thinking something through in my head, although I know some/most people differ.

To me, it seems entirely logical that the part of the road closest to the middle would be the inner, and that closest to the outside edge (where the road ends and the pavement begins), would be the outer...

Inside and Outside could be either way. Using lane numbers makes sense. L1 is clearly the "slow" lane etc.

bod1467

But surely lane 1 is the Under lane and lane 2 (of a 2 lane highway) is the Over lane?

almillar

You were the one overtaking. Its for you to ensure its safe to do so.

By his story it WAS safe for him to do so IMO. If we can't overtake because another road user (including cyclists) might just randomly veer right, no overtaking is safe!

How are you to prove the other parties fault?

Yes. So insurance might put it as 50/50. If it's just a headlight it's probably not worth a claim.

He still over took a vehicle turning right

His story tells of a vehicle that turned right after he started overtaking, but yes, damage is at the front of his vehicle. If it was at the side (is it marginal?) he would have a better case.

OP overtakes near a junction

What junction? The start of a cycle lane? Is it signposted or is OP expected to know about it?You were the one overtaking. Its for you to ensure its safe to do so.

Also - the 'fast' lane - yes, it's the overtaking lane. Yes, they all have the same speed limit, but yes, I think we all know that the 'fast' lane is the one with the fastest traffic in it, and is furthest to the right. Can we get over that instead of arguing over it?

Joe_Horner

AdrianC wrote: »

They're always, unambiguously, numbered from the outside of the road, the kerb/shoulder side, to the inside of the road, the central reservation/opposite carriageway side. L1 is the first lane, the one you should always be using unless overtaking. L2+ are the ones that you should only be using for overtaking.

Really? Not sure I've ever seen that specified anywhere in regs so I assume the "always" is by unofficial convention.

Which is exactly the same way that "inside" and "outside" or "fast" and "slow" are also defined.

I have never, ever, in nearly 50 years known anyone - except for pedants on the internet trying to make a point - refer to the LH lane of a UK road as the "fast lane" or the RH one as the "inside lane".