The EU: IN or OUT?

BananaRepublic

savings_my_hobby wrote: »

Healthy young people who get pregnant? drink and get into fights?

of course they will have kids AND get a council house AND child tax credits AND enjoy maternity pay. I have seen this happen, also some of them have kids already living in their own country and claim tax credits for them. You could not make it up.

Healthy? One local factory got closed down for several weeks because of an outbreak of TB. you know the disease that was almost eradicated in the UK, needless to say the workforce were exclusively European.

Our cleaner at work is from Latvia, he is 30 and needed time off because of heart problems. He drinks and smokes and judging by his dental health does amphetamines, a lot do. (English do as well)
so yer, Olympic athletes aren't they?

I have not been to my GP in the last 12 years without the room being half full with European immigrants, coughing and spluttering.

On the other hand some Europeans are extremely fit and lovely to talk to because they bothered to learn the language.

Most of our production line staff are Polish. They work hard and are pleasant. One chap brought in a delicious home made cake with blackcurrants grown on his 3 acre orchard in Poland. I still voted leave. They are decent people but we need sovereignty.

Kendall80

BananaRepublic wrote: »

You always start negotiations by demanding exactly what you want, and then make concessions if need be. What else would you expect the EU to demand? Hopefully our negotiators are clued up.

Or you overstate your initial position so that the 'compromise' you end up with, was actually what you wanted in the first place.

bigadaj

Kendall80 wrote: »

Or you overstate your initial position so that the 'compromise' you end up with, was actually what you wanted in the first place.

If you actually hear the interviews or quotes from most of the main players everyone is being very guarded.

Once the media get hold of it then it gets reworded using slightly more melodramatic language.

BananaRepublic

Kendall80 wrote: »

Or you overstate your initial position so that the 'compromise' you end up with, was actually what you wanted in the first place.

Yes, I'm sure you are a better negotiator than me.

BananaRepublic

Note that the IMF and others now think prospects are much better than previously predicted. Odd that. Maybe both remain and leave lied. :rotfl:

Glen_Clark

BananaRepublic wrote: »

we need sovereignty.

I wish we had been ruled from Brussels when it came to the disastrous illegal invasion of Iraq. The rest of Europe was against it - remember? But that didn't stop Bliar - did it?

CLAPTON

Glen_Clark wrote: »

I wish we had been ruled from Brussels when it came to the disastrous illegal invasion of Iraq. The rest of Europe was against it - remember? But that didn't stop Bliar - did it?

with sovereignty comes responsibility : some people can't handle it and want mummy and daddy to look after them all their lives.

Enterprise_1701C

This is a very interesting article

http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/lawrence-solomon-brexit-was-the-u-k-s-vote-against-a-new-socialist-empire

bigadaj

Glen_Clark wrote: »

I wish we had been ruled from Brussels when it came to the disastrous illegal invasion of Iraq. The rest of Europe was against it - remember? But that didn't stop Bliar - did it?

Interesting guardian article stating that the eu may be offering a 7 year derogation on free movement to the uk, if those already here are allowed to remain.

As well as assuaging some fears about immigration it is also a painful reminder of how British politicians failed to plan in 2004. This was the option available, taken up by many countries when the Eastern European countries joined, but ignored by labour at that time.

To many in the uk this failure by Blair is of more importance to them than his ill guided ventures in Iraq.

buglawton

The EU is waking up to how many otherwise unemployed workers from the EU mainland the UK absorbs.