The EU: IN or OUT?

treemachine

Ballard wrote: »

The senior management and some staff were foreign. It was essential that overseas staff were able to work here. Without them the branch would never have opened. It was operational for around 16 years so that's a bare minimum of more than £16m without taking into account corporation tax and the like.

Every country in the world has a migration system. I don't think anyone has real concerns about a number of high paid migrants working here. What people do have a problem with is millions of low skilled migrants with little to offer...

BananaRepublic

Linton wrote: »

Cows are very different to burning coal or oil. Any CO2 cows emit was recently extracted from the atmosphere by plants - it's a very fast loop. Coal on the other hand emits CO2 from carbon that was derived from the atmosphere 300M years ago and safely held underground since then.

It isn't CO2 that cows produce that is the problem, it's methane which is a far worse greenhouse gas. Cattle are a serious contributor to warming, along with coal and oil of course.

Ballard

treemachine wrote: »

Every country in the world has a migration system. I don't think anyone has real concerns about a number of high paid migrants working here. What people do have a problem with is millions of low skilled migrants with little to offer...

Sensible people would agree. I have a niece & nephew who don't. He works sporadically whereas she has worked for a couple of years some time ago. They're both in their 30s now so that's a lot of time unwaged. Their mother also only worked about 4 or 5 years and being 50 will never work again. They all complain about the foreigners coming over here, taking benefits and using the NHS seemingly oblivious to the fact that they rarely pay into the system themselves.

I'm not saying that this is anything like representative but merely pointing out that that view is considered valid by some.

I remain unconvinced that there are 'millions' of low skilled migrants but there's no conclusive way to calculate the true number.

LHW99

Whether skilled or unskilled, the UK should be able to allow in those it needs.

IMHO however, the country should look at why we need to bring them in, and whether there are implications for our education / training system here that causes companies to be unable to get suitable people who are already based in the UK.
And maybe do something about it?

JohnRo

LHW99 wrote: »

...whether there are implications for our education / training system here that causes companies to be unable to get suitable people...

Simple, divert some of the 'extra £350M a week' to that then... NHS is overrated unless you need it anyway.

treemachine

Ballard wrote: »

I remain unconvinced that there are 'millions' of low skilled migrants but there's no conclusive way to calculate the true number.

When I go to a Subway the staff are more or less 100% migrant, I pass "nail bars" and the staff are 100% migrant, I pass the phone unlocking and cheap handbag stall and the staff are 100% migrant. 50% of barber shops in my town are Turkish. 80% of fast food restaurants in my area employ staff that barely speak English. All car washes in my area employ migrants that cant speak English.


I'd imagine most town/ cities are like that?


I wouldn't say giving a manicure etc is a high skill job?

bigadaj

treemachine wrote: »

When I go to a Subway the staff are more or less 100% migrant, I pass "nail bars" and the staff are 100% migrant, I pass the phone unlocking and cheap handbag stall and the staff are 100% migrant. 50% of barber shops in my town are Turkish. 80% of fast food restaurants in my area employ staff that barely speak English. All car washes in my area employ migrants that cant speak English.


I'd imagine most town/ cities are like that?


I wouldn't say giving a manicure etc is a high skill job?

This will vary around the country.

One of the problems is that some of the more vocal anti immigration people are those that wouldn't do the work that those people currently do. That's fine if you are skilled to get other works but you have people claiming benefits who wouldn't touch the lower grade work that is undertaken by immigrants.

That gap needs to be filled, some coercion would be needed in terms of benefit controls, but there are some businesses that would either shut down or have to modify what they do. Farming would fall into the latter camp.

LHW99

Simple, divert some of the 'extra £350M a week' to that then

Extra money isn't necessarily the only issue.
Ensuring it gets applied in the right way - say by encouraging training in the fields that are needed - perhaps plumbers, electricians, bricklayers, engineers to mention a few, say by providing the tuition for free, and by decreasing the number of places colleges / universities are allowed to offer for journalism, media studies pro rata
When we have enough plumbers but too few journalists the allocation could be switched.

Ballard

treemachine wrote: »

When I go to a Subway the staff are more or less 100% migrant, I pass "nail bars" and the staff are 100% migrant, I pass the phone unlocking and cheap handbag stall and the staff are 100% migrant. 50% of barber shops in my town are Turkish. 80% of fast food restaurants in my area employ staff that barely speak English. All car washes in my area employ migrants that cant speak English.


I'd imagine most town/ cities are like that?


I wouldn't say giving a manicure etc is a high skill job?

That's conclusive then. There are millions of unskilled migrants in the UK.

savings_my_hobby

Ballard wrote: »

Sensible people would agree. I have a niece & nephew who don't. He works sporadically whereas she has worked for a couple of years some time ago. They're both in their 30s now so that's a lot of time unwaged. Their mother also only worked about 4 or 5 years and being 50 will never work again. They all complain about the foreigners coming over here, taking benefits and using the NHS seemingly oblivious to the fact that they rarely pay into the system themselves.

I'm not saying that this is anything like representative but merely pointing out that that view is considered valid by some.

I remain unconvinced that there are 'millions' of low skilled migrants but there's no conclusive way to calculate the true number.

I agree with the first two paragraphs but you could go to Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire and do a head count, you would be quite surprised at the numbers.

British people should not be allowed to sponge off the system, I also have a fat lazy cousin who has not completed 365 working days in the last 25 years, now drives around in a new car courtesy of the tax payer. Bad Knee and Bad Back, Bad attitude and Bad diet more like.