Just about to exchange then vendor asks for more ££

franklee

LEJC wrote: »

wonder again if you have the details of the engineer who fitted you can check that they were registered to carry out the job...et etc

That's what we did. In our case the engineer was registered with gas safe but just hadn't done the paperwork for the certificate but when the vendor nagged him he got it done. The boiler had been in over a year by that time and the vendor hasn't realised they needed the certificate until it came to us asking for it

OP, If it's a gas boiler suggest you look the information up directly with gas safe. Get the details of the engineer who did the installation and check he's registered with gas safe. If so he can do the building regulations certificate and then you can check with gas safe it's there. If he gets his finger out it will only take a few days you won't have the paper copy that quickly but you can ring up gas safe to check it's there. If you leave it the engineer can ignore you as you weren't his customer so get the vendor to make him do the paperwork.

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/help-and-advice/gas-safety-certificates-records/building-regulations-certificate/

If he's not a gas safe engineer then I'd have concerns on boiler safety. How will an indemnity policy help you with that? What exactly does the policy cover you for and in what circumstances does it pay out?

Clutterfree

We've just completed our PIF for our sale and realised we never had a Fensa certificate!
It's our mistake so when the buyer asks for indemnity insurance we will pay it. No idea how much it will cost, though.

visidigi

Clutterfree wrote: »

We've just completed our PIF for our sale and realised we never had a Fensa certificate!
It's our mistake so when the buyer asks for indemnity insurance we will pay it. No idea how much it will cost, though.

we didn't have ours - contacted the fitter and they hadn't registered it which is why we never got it.

registered and the certificate came through two weeks or so later.

Jhoney_2

franklee wrote: »

That's what we did. In our case the engineer was registered with gas safe but just hadn't done the paperwork for the certificate but when the vendor nagged him he got it done. The boiler had been in over a year by that time and the vendor hasn't realised they needed the certificate until it came to us asking for it

OP, If it's a gas boiler suggest you look the information up directly with gas safe. Get the details of the engineer who did the installation and check he's registered with gas safe. If so he can do the building regulations certificate and then you can check with gas safe it's there. If he gets his finger out it will only take a few days you won't have the paper copy that quickly but you can ring up gas safe to check it's there. If you leave it the engineer can ignore you as you weren't his customer so get the vendor to make him do the paperwork.

https://www.gassaferegister.co.uk/help-and-advice/gas-safety-certificates-records/building-regulations-certificate/

If he's not a gas safe engineer then I'd have concerns on boiler safety. How will an indemnity policy help you with that? What exactly does the policy cover you for and in what circumstances does it pay out?

Even if gas safe registered, the safety certificate is only valid at the time provided anyway (things breakdown at any time e.g 5mins after you've seen the back of said engineer) , so the safety element is still a thing not to be relied upon when you move in.

The recommended checks are annual, this does not guarantee safety for 12months. Get the boiler checked when you move in and then regularly! The deadly emissions are odourless... Keep the wood for convenience inthe meantime and if you really want to, buy the indemnity, however if I were you, I would put this fee towards a boiler service agreement means that:

a) I would get an initial accredited inspection/analysis of current system - presuming here that you would seek a gas safe engineer
b) with an agreed excess, you get a callout service for repairs if/when required while you get settled in and don't have to faff with unexpected/unforeseen issues.

You need not continue the agreement once you are sure you have the measure of the gas services in your new home, but I would do it for at least 6-12 months or perhaps before the cooling off period had expired (check smallprint though)

moneyistooshorttomention

The seller should have "chased up" and made sure he got those bits of paper. Prior to that - the seller shouldnt have had to "chase up" in the first place - as those firms shouldnt have been too inefficient to supply those bits of paper.

It's no big deal you havent got those bits of paper.

In your position - I'd find out whether I could chase those inefficient firms up myself and get their blimmin' bits of paper out of them. I would be rather annoyed at the seller for not keeping on top of the firms and making sure they did their job properly (ie gave him the ruddy bits of paper) - but I wouldnt make a big issue out of it...its just "paper" and yet more people being inefficient (and gawdknows one has to handle "inefficiency issues" at regular intervals if living in this country...:mad::().

But - ultimately - its no big deal to have "bits of paper" in these circumstances.

Gawdknows - I am now living in a more inefficient part of the country - and so it took months before the firms I used for work on the house supplied me with my "bits of paper" for work they had done for me. I do wonder if it would have taken them even longer - or they would never have done it if they hadnt known I'm from a bit more efficient part of the country - so it would be wise to do so.....

Moral = some firms do think they can "take the michael" in some parts of the country...and maybe your seller is used to "take the michael" standards???

franklee

Jhoney wrote: »

Even if gas safe registered, the safety certificate is only valid at the time provided anyway (things breakdown at any time e.g 5mins after you've seen the back of said engineer) , so the safety element is still a thing not to be relied upon when you move in.

The recommended checks are annual, this does not guarantee safety for 12months. Get the boiler checked when you move in and then regularly! The deadly emissions are odourless... Keep the wood for convenience inthe meantime and if you really want to, buy the indemnity, however if I were you, I would put this fee towards a boiler service agreement means that:

a) I would get an initial accredited inspection/analysis of current system - presuming here that you would seek a gas safe engineer
b) with an agreed excess, you get a callout service for repairs if/when required while you get settled in and don't have to faff with unexpected/unforeseen issues.

You need not continue the agreement once you are sure you have the measure of the gas services in your new home, but I would do it for at least 6-12 months or perhaps before the cooling off period had expired (check smallprint though)

We're discussing the building regulations certificate for a new boiler instillation. If buying I would want to know a recently installed boiler was installed by a gas safe engineer and the building Building Regulations Certificate is mandatory.

The yearly gas safety check is another thing. While an excellent idea it's not mandatory for an owner occupied home so would not need any indemnity insurance.

While I agree things can break down at any time it's going to be a lot worse if the original instillation wasn't done right. I would want to know that before exchange of contracts and not leave it until when moving in as by then it will be too late to alter the price to reflect the extra work needed.

Jhoney_2

franklee wrote: »

We're discussing the building regulations certificate for a new boiler instillation. If buying I would want to know a recently installed boiler was installed by a gas safe engineer and the building Building Regulations Certificate is mandatory.

The yearly gas safety check is another thing. While an excellent idea it's not mandatory for an owner occupied home so would not need any indemnity insurance.

While I agree things can break down at any time it's going to be a lot worse if the original instillation wasn't done right. I would want to know that before exchange of contracts and not leave it until when moving in as by then it will be too late to alter the price to reflect the extra work needed.

I think we are on the same page but at cross purposes Franklee, my post was a follow up to yours.

Of course the installation compliance of a BR certificate should be obtained and this is the venors duty (no matter who pays) as they contracted the works - but one should still not presume the boiler is safe as per the previous post I quoted! Safely installed maybe....

My post was for completeness should others view the thread and not realise that. Hence even when having a full structural survey, they will still advise you to get the boiler inspected.

Brightspark87

Hi guys

Policy was £50 in the end. Can you believe it? He has paid it and now said he is taking everything (wood gas bottles etc).

Estate Agent has been wonderful and thought he was crazy - he would have lost ££££ if he hadn't agreed to it...

We are really not that bothered - talk about petty!

martindow

It will be interesting to see what happens. I think it's quite likely he won't bother to take the wood in the end (despite what he is saying now).

marsman802

Yeah I doubt he wood