Apple MacBook

zarf2007

Mr_Singleton wrote: »

Lots of insults but rather light on what exactly you think is crap! Then again you come across as that sort of person.

Have I bought refurbished/second-hand? N E V E R!

As I've said Apple has been repeatedly fined for misleading consumers regarding warranties. Then again you seem to be a fan of Apple's £280 extended warranties which John Lewis appear to give as standard.

But you are right about the Dell. I'm using a Dell 5k monitor linked to my 8 core 32gb Mac Pro.

Some food for thought.....

"European Commission vice president Viviane Reding had claimed Apple's abuse of consumer rights across the EU has persuaded it to consider an pan-European approach to enforcement.
According to Reding, there is growing alarm in the EC about Apple's approach to warranties for its products.
“In at least 21 EU Member States Apple is not informing consumers correctly about the legal warranty rights they have,” she told the European Consumer Summit in Brussels. “This is simply not good enough.”
The EC first became concerned about Apple's business practices after Italian regulators fined the company for misleading advertising over their warranties and for failing to provide the two-year warranties consumers are entitled to under European laws."

"It had previously fined [Apple] €900,000 after receiving complaints from customers, who had been sold AppleCare warranties without having been informed that European laws automatically conferred a two-year warranty on their purchases."

I think every major tech company has crossed swords with the EC at some point, look at microsofts many woes. JL is fine if you want a standard configuration, otherwise you would be better buying directly from apple. And as someone who has bought and knows people who have bought Apple refurbs I can vouch for them as new other than in name legally. As for the rest of your line noise, tell it to someone who cares...

almillar

If Mac made it easy to switch back to an earlier system (like Windows does),

With the exception of Windows 10, it's not.

or incorporate backwards-compatibility I'd have no problems with their upgrades.

I'm trying to point out that not much has changed since 10.6 - that's pretty good backwards compatibility in my book.
But it looks like you just want to rant rather than get help - you didn't tell us the model of printer.

with 10.11 my Canon MP140 won't run on it

Ah, there we go!

I don't feel I should conflict with the spirit of the forum by pushing upgrades that make big corporations richer at our expense.

You can get from 10.6 to 10.11 for free. Do you actually think Apple are trying to help Canon by breaking their printers?!

Try this one.......
Ricoh SP204SN A4 Multifunction
Cheap end printer, no mac support.

This is different - it was never advertised as Mac compatible presumably, so nothing has been broken.

Anyway, Mr_Toad has helpfully found a 10.9 driver for your printer, which is even more likely to work. Please let us know how you get on, to help others.

As I've said Apple has been repeatedly fined for misleading consumers regarding warranties. Then again you seem to be a fan of Apple's £280 extended warranties which John Lewis appear to give as standard.

This has nothing to do with the quality of goods from their refurb store.

zagubov

almillar wrote: »

I'm trying to point out that not much has changed since 10.6 - that's pretty good backwards compatibility in my book.
But it looks like you just want to rant rather than get help.
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You can get from 10.6 to 10.11 for free. Do you actually think Apple are trying to help Canon by breaking their printers?!
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Anyway, Mr_Toad has helpfully found a 10.9 driver for your printer, which is even more likely to work. Please let us know how you get on, to help others.

Whoa! Steady on!:D
I'm thinking of the makers of software and hardware rendered obsolete/incompatible by the upgrades, rather than apple themselves.

Actually looking back over this and most of my admittedly luddite posts I'm [STRIKE]probably[/STRIKE] having a go at apple too. I was spoiled by Tiger and by Snow Leopard. These new "improvements/upgrades" feel like I'm getting railroaded down somebody else's improvement path fixing deficits I never noticed and providing needs I don't recognise.

What I will recognise here is my debt of thanks to Mr Toad, whose link has apparently solved my printing problem, so thanks for that Mr T!:beer::T


Still think that apple made the best machines, OS and software. Just worried that they stopped doing it about a decade ago and did a whole lot of irrelevant tinkering instead.

almillar

So, after you upgrade an OS, and your printer stops working, you come on here for a good old rant about planned obsolescence, instead of simply visiting the manufacturer's website? That's not a trick or a workaround, it's just good computer admin.
I also think you're hurting yourself and making it more difficult for yourself by trying to cling on to old stuff. If, for example, you had done a clean install (wipe your computer, install OS, install apps, copy your data over), your Mac would likely have gone and fetched the latest drivers itself, as soon as you plugged the printer in!
Glad it's all sorted anyway.

fishybusiness

This is different - it was never advertised as Mac compatible presumably, so nothing has been broken.

That's right it was never Mac compatible, but that is not the point.

It was simply that someone had said he ( I assume he) had said he had never found a printer non mac compatible. Last year I found one that isn't compatible.

That's it, it was very tongue in cheek, factual and rather amusing given the way the conversation was going.

Take a chill pill my friend.

zagubov

almillar wrote: »

So, after you upgrade an OS, and your printer stops working, you come on here for a good old rant about planned obsolescence, instead of simply visiting the manufacturer's website? That's not a trick or a workaround, it's just good computer admin.
I also think you're hurting yourself and making it more difficult for yourself by trying to cling on to old stuff. If, for example, you had done a clean install (wipe your computer, install OS, install apps, copy your data over), your Mac would likely have gone and fetched the latest drivers itself, as soon as you plugged the printer in!

No, my Snow Leopard macbook developed screen issues. I was kindly given an El Capitan model, and all my rosetta software stopped working. Plus iTunes is now almost useless and Photos is giving me more to learn when I liked the easy life a mac used to give me. The printer not working was never the big issue.

As for clinging on to old stuff, this is an MSE site, and while Mac OS updates are nominally cost-free they really aren't if you have to update everything else at some expense.

Using older equipment and/or may be wiser in some circumstances.

Mr_Toad

fishybusiness wrote: »

That's right it was never Mac compatible, but that is not the point.

It was simply that someone had said he ( I assume he) had said he had never found a printer non mac compatible. Last year I found one that isn't compatible.

That's it, it was very tongue in cheek, factual and rather amusing given the way the conversation was going.

Take a chill pill my friend.

And taken as such.

Given that when it comes to personal printers most are from the major players HP, Canon, Epsom, Samsung etc. and of the many and various models from these manufacturers I've never had a problem. There was always going to be exceptions as there are and have been so many printers made.

As for backwards compatibility that's another story and a massive can of worms.

I've never understood the whole love MS hate Apple or love Apple hate MS thing. I think they are both great operating systems and both have their flaws as well as their good points.

MS tried to do the right thing with compatibility and the result is that in trying to support older software and hardware Windows can be a royal pain.

Apple took a different approach, you upgrade your OS and we'll support your software and hardware so far but there comes a time when old software will stop working, deal with that and move on. Yes it can irritate but the end result is an OS that isn't as susceptible as Windows for slowing down with time and needing regular purges and tuning to speed things up.

Linux, something I worked with every day, took yet another approach. In the early days it was here's the OS we haven't even compiled the kernal for your machine, you're on your own. These days it's a lot more mainstream with a decent installer. Even my Raspberry Pi recognized my printer and was printing in under 5mins.

almillar

And taken as such.

Me too - I just wanted everyone to be clear that it was a different issue.

all my rosetta software stopped working

See - this is my point about clinging to old stuff causing you trouble! You're thinking the other way round. Your old computer broke, you got a newer one, and your oudated software broke! If you're really committed to whatever old software it is you're using, you should have replaced your hardware like-for like. Rosetta is IIRC emulation of the PPC processors, for Intel processors. That's a long time ago!

BadBehaviour

zarf2007 wrote: »

Again clearly written by a clueless idiot. Have you actually bought a refurb? Because if you had you will see what you have written is crap. Please come back when you know what you're talking about. You get a standard 1 year warranty and this can be extended with AppleCare by another 2 years to make 3 in total.

Please think before you write. I bet you're the kind of fool that buys dell running Windows.....unfortunately some people are too thick to reason with.

I know it's an old thread but what Apple sells as refurbished aren't customer returns or open boxes items.
They replace failed components, casing etc so the product looks new but you're getting stuff that has been used before and that has failed at some point.
For example someone might have spilled liquid on a Macbook. They give the motherboard an ultrasonic bath, resolder what needs resoldering and sell you this in a brand new casing as refurbished. A simple Google search will confirm this.
I say this but have no problem buying from their refurbished section; just be aware you're not getting simple customer returns.
Ever wondered what they do with all the broken products they swap at the Apple Store?

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RobTang wrote: »

For your uses the only extra thing is an hour or 2 more battery life on a single charge.


depending on the model you get its 10-20% faster all round, its probably worth going into a apple store and playing with one for a while as its not the fasting thing in the world but its ok for general tasks, also the keyboard for me is a bit marmitey (I can type quickly on it but I just don't like it.)

I bought an MacAirbook last year talked into it by my DGD who got me a whopping discount with her student card I must admit Its OK but I usually only take it with me when I go to Dds or on holiday Indoors I am still using my clunky desktop PC and am still running Windows XP on it via google I dislike the keyboard on the Apple it seems to have a mind of its own and I just find myself constantly correcting it when I type.But then I have a small I-pod which has the same problem as well perhaps its an Apple thing.
I think they are vastly overpriced for what they are and given the choice I would probably have gone for an ordinary £300 jobbie with windows.Seems a good few folk return them as they are also not impressed.