Are you voting to remain or leave the EU - Poll

globalds

What is really unfortunate is that it looks to me like whatever the outcome of the Brexit vote .
The behaviour of our Politicians of both sides , Our corporate leaders , Our civil servants and the custodians of our financial systems shows they will pursue an agenda of ever greater union.

The plan may be slowed down ..But it will not be altered

So we get told it takes ten years to leave , ten years to negotiate a trade deal with a nation we have a special relationship with .

I am pretty sure it will be an overwhelming vote to stay in and the effort made to show a close run thing is to draw out in voters that might well stay at home thinking it is a walk in the park.

But I am shocked that the ruling classes of the United Kingdom are almost entirely sold on the notion of holding their power and position as some part of an amalgamation.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

There is nothing German enforced about it. You earn your way or you borrow to try to pay your population off. If you choose the latter, you go to the markets and borrow at high rates or you go to the ECB and borrow at lower rates but with certain conditions ("austerity").

Austerity is never a choice. You cannot spend your way out of depression, if this worked, everyone would do it all the time and the world would never have recessions.

partly true for independent sovereign nations but not those bound together by a single currency and a huge number of banking and fiscal rules and regulation : truely an argument for democratic independence.

PS virtually every macro economist in the world believes you can and should spend your way out of a depression - the last major one led to the WW2. (look up Keynes)

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

partly true for independent sovereign nations but not those bound together by a single currency and a huge number of banking and fiscal rules and regulation : truely an argument for democratic independence.

Yes, the Euro makes things more difficult because you can't print off your debt / devalue your currency. That is the flaw. But Greece can and previously did borrow from the international markets. Complaining that austerity is German enforced is dumb when the entire world was enforcing austerity on Greece by demanding higher yields on their bonds because Greece was fiscally unsound.

PS virtually every macro economist in the world believes you can and should spend your way out of a depression - the last major one led to the WW2. (look up Keynes)

Yes, I'm well aware of Keynesian policies,and I think in the real world it's bunk because it requires us to take the opposite course and reign in, in "good times" something that no government is ever going to do.

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

...PS virtually every macro economist in the world believes you can and should spend your way out of a depression - the last major one led to the WW2. (look up Keynes)

P.S.S. You are talking bollox. If you look up Keynes you will find that there are oodles of macro economists who are not Keynsians.

Sapphire

cells wrote: »

I would vote leave if we could copy Australia migration policy which seems to be to let in over a million migrants a year (scaled up to UK proportion)

But since the out voters primary aim is to try and reduce population growth to zero. I will vote stay as copying Japan or even worse one of the population decline countries will not be pretty

Where do you get that idea? No one I've heard speak, including the Brexiters I know personally, wants to 'reduce population growth to zero'. They just want to let in the right people who will benefit our country, not those who want to come here for the generous benefits courtesy of taxpayers, threatening the destruction of our already over-burdened infrastructure.

Generali

Sapphire wrote: »

They just want to let in the right people who will benefit our country, not those who want to come here for the generous benefits courtesy of taxpayers, threatening the destruction of our already over-burdened infrastructure.

Is that really a thing though? I can't imagine many people want to travel from across Europe, leaving family and friends behind just to sign on. This is quite an interesting piece on it:

https://fullfact.org/europe/are-there-600000-unemployed-eu-migrants-uk/

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

P.S.S. You are talking bollox. If you look up Keynes you will find that there are oodles of macro economists who are not Keynsians.

do you think that in a recession we should have tight monetary and fiscal policies?

Johnsmith2016

marleyboy wrote: »

There seems to be a new poll everyday now. Have already completed a few of these polls so don't feel the need to vote on it again.

Bully for you.

Alan_Brown

wotsthat wrote: »

I'd be more interested in whether anyone has actually changed their mind on how they'd vote since the start of this process

My wife has made her mind up. At first she was leaning towards Remain and now she is an Outter. Prez Obama's intervention made her mind up. She hates the way the US is controlled by Corporations and saw his intervention for what it was - a desperate bid to save TTIP. With Obama saying the UK would be at the back of the queue for trade agreements with the US (essentially saying if we Brexit, then we leave TTIP for good), she is now a confirmed brexiter.

mwpt

Alan_Brown wrote: »

My wife has made her mind up. At first she was leaning towards Remain and now she is an Outter. Prez Obama's intervention made her mind up. She hates the way the US is controlled by Corporations and saw his intervention for what it was - a desperate bid to save TTIP. With Obama saying the UK would be at the back of the queue for trade agreements with the US (essentially saying if we Brexit, then we leave TTIP for good), she is now a confirmed brexiter.

People who vote based on emotions (which is what that is) were always more likely to vote out. She was always more likely to vote out and was probably looking for an excuse.