Electrician to check wiring

footyguy

Rubidium wrote: »

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Footyguy continually posts that E10 switches invarably end in tears but this is not always the case, ...

On that point, we will have to agree to differ.... at least until I start to see some evidence as to the variation of the invariability I continually see posted here.

As nothing has changed recently, I see no reason for the reports to either.

matelodave

I'd guess that if the wiring has been specifically desiend to work with an E10 system then it's quite possible that just linking the feeds will cause stuff like storage heaters and immersion heaters to come on during peak periods rather than just during off-peak times as their timing may have been derived from the meter rather than their own time switches.

Both mine & my mum's systems had the storage & immersion heaters switched when the meter switched and just linking them together would have put a permanent supply onto the off-peak circuits.

Rubidium

matelodave wrote: »

I'd guess that if the wiring has been specifically desiend to work with an E10 system then it's quite possible that just linking the feeds will cause stuff like storage heaters and immersion heaters to come on during peak periods rather than just during off-peak times as their timing may have been derived from the meter rather than their own time switches.

Both mine & my mum's systems had the storage & immersion heaters switched when the meter switched and just linking them together would have put a permanent supply onto the off-peak circuits.

Exactly this thread is about an E10 customer wanting to remove an E10 meter and change to a standard single rate meter set-up.

You have proved that an electrician is not required to ascertain that this can be achieved very easily.

There are two versions of E10 - heating only cheaper rate and all circuits cheaper rate.

Changing either version to a single rate meter is very easy, no rocket science or exotic wiring changes involved.

footyguy simply does not understand.

matelodave

Rubidium wrote: »

Exactly this thread is about an E10 customer wanting to remove an E10 meter and change to a standard single rate meter set-up.

You have proved that an electrician is not required to ascertain that this can be achieved very easily.

There are two versions of E10 - heating only cheaper rate and all circuits cheaper rate.

Changing either version to a single rate meter is very easy, no rocket science or exotic wiring changes involved.

footyguy simply does not understand.

It's you who doesn't understand - the meter fitter will just fit a meter to the tails - he doesn't really care what's hanging off them provided that they are safe. If the OP is isolating the off-peak circuits then he could end up inadvertantly isolating his heating & hot water.

It's not unreasonable for Eon to advise the consumer to make sure that his circuits are OK before getting a meter change. Not everyone knows how it's all put together

Rubidium

matelodave wrote: »

It's you who doesn't understand - the meter fitter will just fit a meter to the tails - he doesn't really care what's hanging off them provided that they are safe. If the OP is isolating the off-peak circuits then he could end up inadvertantly isolating his heating & hot water.

I do understand. Explain why changing an E10 meter to a standard rate meter is different to changing an E7 meter to a standard rate meter?

matelodave wrote: »

It's not unreasonable for Eon to advise the consumer to make sure that his circuits are OK before getting a meter change.

It is simply not necessary to tell the customer to get an electrician to check the wiring when a qualified meter fitter can check this for the customer when they arrive! If the circuits are OK as you put it when connected to an E10 meter, these circuits must be OK to connect to a standard rate meter when the E10 meter is removed.

matelodave wrote: »

Not everyone knows how it's all put together

Obviously you are another one who does not fully understand this but eon should and a standard rate meter could be fitted in minutes.

manchestermargo

Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply to my question.MM

Carrot007

Rubidium wrote: »

I do understand. Explain why changing an E10 meter to a standard rate meter is different to changing an E7 meter to a standard rate meter?

It can even occur with E7 but is rarer. Some meters activly switch the heating on when the off peak period occurs. Puting in an standard meter can result in the heating either not working at all or turning on all the time. Fixing this would be down to the customer because this is their responsibility.

Rubidium wrote: »

It is simply not necessary to tell the customer to get an electrician to check the wiring when a qualified meter fitter can check this for the customer when they arrive

The meter fitter will only check for safty not that things work as that is not his concern. The next the supplier know is when they get an angry call asking why the heating does not work as expected.

Cardew

Carrot007 wrote: »

It can even occur with E7 but is rarer. Some meters activly switch the heating on when the off peak period occurs. Puting in an standard meter can result in the heating either not working at all or turning on all the time. Fixing this would be down to the customer because this is their responsibility.




The meter fitter will only check for safty not that things work as that is not his concern. The next the supplier know is when they get an angry call asking why the heating does not work as expected.

Firstly the OP has stated that he no longer has Night Storage Heating(NSH).


Secondly it is not in dispute that if the immersion heater is not working, after change of meter, then an electrician will be required. The point I was making earlier was that IMO it is not necessary to have an inspection before change of meter:

The probability is that on a one-rate 24/7 meter, your immersion heater will still work. If it doesn't, it will be a very simple job to re-connect. So you don't need to pay for a check beforehand .

Former_E.ON_Company_Representative:_Malc

manchestermargo wrote: »

I have been advised by E.on before I have my meter changed from Economy 10 to a normal rate meter I need to have an electrician check my wiring, to make sure the heating and immersion heater will still work with a standard rate. My question is will any qualified electrician be able to give me y
this info or do I need a specialist. Thanks in advance for any help.

MM

manchestermargo wrote: »

Thanks for that Macman. I am planning to have the meter changed to a single rate meter. My flat no longer has NSH although I still have an immersion heater. I have monitered this and on average use only 3 units each night. What are your thoughts. Thanks MM

Already some good advice on here MM. Thanks all. Thought I'd just pop on and clarify one particular thing. Whilst we recommend customers moving from a multi-rate complex meter, like Economy 10, to a more conventional type have a qualified electrician check over the set-up, this is all it is. A recommendation. It's up to the individual customer to decide whether or not to do this.

Given the nature of these kind of metering set ups, experience has shown that changing to a different type can sometimes have consequences for heating and hot water at individual properties. To work, these meters are wired into the heating and hot water circuits but there's no universal pattern. Circumstances can and do vary widely depending on, among other things, the meter, region and type of development. As Richie says, our responsibility ends at the meter. Anything beyond that is down to the customer as we've no knowledge of individual arrangements. We do, though, have a duty of care to make customers aware of the potential effects. It's then down to them to decide what to do.

From what you say MM, with no storage heaters and just the immersion still using off peak timings, any possible remedial work may be less than if the full heating system was still using off peak electricity. In this case, Cardew may well be right and you'll only need a visit to re-connect after the meter exchange. As I say, situations differ widely and it's up to you to judge based on the specific circumstances. In these cases I usually recommend an approved electrician preferably, as footyguy says, one with experience of this type of thing.

Hope this helps point you in the right direction MM. Let me know if you need any more details as happy to help.

Malc

lstar337

E.ON_Company_Representative:_Malc wrote: »

Already some good advice on here MM. Thanks all. Thought I'd just pop on and clarify one particular thing. Whilst we recommend customers moving from a multi-rate complex meter, like Economy 10, to a more conventional type have a qualified electrician check over the set-up, this is all it is. A recommendation. It's up to the individual customer to decide whether or not to do this.

No doubt to protect the ill informed against erroneous meter swaps.

In my time here I have seen plenty of noobies saying they swapped meters and something doesn't work, or their bills went up, and invariably they blame the supplier because they "didn't tell me that this might happen".

Looks like suppliers are dammed if they do, and dammed if they don't in this regard.

So long as it is only a suggestion, I think EON are very sensible to do this.