£100 lost by not attending ESA appointment

Weary_soul

nannytone wrote: »

she doesn't deal with ESA so that isn't an issue.

just people that have been serially unemployed for donkeys years that say they're too depressed to do anything extra in order to help themselves.

a romanian couple that came here to live with their son.
have been here over a year and still haven't attended the english classes my daughter arranged for them because they are 'depressed'.

and yes, she sanctioned them

Oh nice.

nannytone_2

Weary_soul wrote: »

Oh nice.

you think a sanction was inappropriate?.
couple, mid 50's. nor willing to help themselves but cry victimisation when asked to learn the language to improve their job prospects. they say my daughter has made them depressed because of her demands ( to attend english classes). luckily she is fully supported at work on all levels.
so housing benefit and JSA along with council tax support PLUS the costt of an interpreter every single week..... for people that are clearly trying to wait it out until pension credit age.

GlasweJen

There's a difference between calling at 9am when the job centre opens and saying "I'm feeling really ill, my long term illness has flared up and I won't make it to my 10:30 appointment due to being too sick to attend so can we please reschedule" and calling up after the appointment saying you were too sick to come in and that difference is probably why you were sanctioned.

If I'm up all night unwell then I will make sure I'm awake at 9 to call work, when I'm too sick to even do that my other half will call my work and explain what's going on and I call later when I'm able to. If I just called at 10:30 and said "oh sorry I'm not at work I was up all night and then fell asleep at 6 and slept in" no one would be amused and I'd be facing a meeting with HR so why should it be different for people on ESA?

NeilCr

nannytone wrote: »

ues, both my kids still work for DWP ( pain in the bum for me cos my claim is under scrutiny).
my son no longer does customer facing work, but my daughter does.
she deals with long term unemployed, and as a parent that returned to work 3 months after the death of her child..... is sick to the back teeth of people that are claiming due to 'low mood', and will sanction them the second they step out of line

Not sure you meant it to come out this way but you have made it sound like your daughter has a bit of an agenda about certain types of claimants

And this isn't about whether or not I think people should be sanctioned - more about the impression given of DWP staff - who, I know from my own experience, are very stretched - for sure in my area

nannytone_2

NeilCr wrote: »

Not sure you meant it to come out this way but you have made it sound like your daughter has a bit of an agenda about certain types of claimants

And this isn't about whether or not I think people should be sanctioned - more about the impression given of DWP staff - who, I know from my own experience, are very stretched - for sure in my area

i didn't mean it to sound like that, but my daughter handles the 'harder' claimants who are long term unemployed ( decades in some cases) despite having no physical or mental incapacity to hold them back.
for sure, she applies the rules in EVERY case, and this alone has seen a small number sign off ( whether because they are working or because they can no longer blag the system)

my daughter works 6 days a week ( still 37.5 hours, but over 4 days). she regularly has to work the 5th day, and receives no payment, just yet more flexi owed to add to her 200 + hours already accrued ( that she cannot take because she is needed to work).
so in effect, she works for nothing, and all she gets is comments like those made by some posters on this forum ( usually ones that fall foul of they system for not complying)

Tiddlywinks

nannytone wrote: »

you think a sanction was inappropriate?.
couple, mid 50's. nor willing to help themselves but cry victimisation when asked to learn the language to improve their job prospects. they say my daughter has made them depressed because of her demands ( to attend english classes). luckily she is fully supported at work on all levels.
so housing benefit and JSA along with council tax support PLUS the costt of an interpreter every single week..... for people that are clearly trying to wait it out until pension credit age.

I don't think your daughter should be sharing those details with you though... particularly as you then share them on here.

She is breaching confidentiality.

nannytone_2

how is she?
she doesn't identify them by name sort in any other way that would make them identifiable.

Weary_soul

nannytone wrote: »

you think a sanction was inappropriate?.
couple, mid 50's. nor willing to help themselves but cry victimisation when asked to learn the language to improve their job prospects. they say my daughter has made them depressed because of her demands ( to attend english classes). luckily she is fully supported at work on all levels.
so housing benefit and JSA along with council tax support PLUS the costt of an interpreter every single week..... for people that are clearly trying to wait it out until pension credit age.

You have absolutely no idea about these people except via the filter of your daughters opinions, so imo yes, it is wrong.

And as for the job centre making people depressed, dear god of course it does. Have you had a look out there? It's what It's there for these days! It's certainly not for giving any real help to get work thats for sure.

But then If the government get their way and job centres are phased out your daughter may one day unfortunately find herself on the other end of said sanctions.

nannytone_2

you don't think speaking english in britain would be helpful to anyones job prospects?

i know these people have been in england for over a year, and are still resisting every attempt to try and give them assistance with the most basic requirement that the majority of employers will want ( speaking the language)

i DO know what job centres are like and find that the majority ( though not all) advisors will go out of their way to help those that really want the help via courses and work experience.

my daughter wouldn't be sanctioned though, because in the unlikely event that my daughter found herself to be long term unemployed, she would comply with the rules regarding the benefit she was claiming

Weary_soul

Best of luck with that then.

my daughter wouldn't be sanctioned though, because in the unlikely event that my daughter found herself to be long term unemployed, she would comply with the rules regarding the benefit she was claiming

And you don't think many thousands of other claimants did just that and yet still ended up sanctioned?

Job centres are nothing more then sanction factories imo and not about helping anyone at all.