Architects and planners in Surrey

Atasas

the_r_sole wrote: »

You will always get people telling you it should be cheaper, or you should have gone to this guy, or you should have just let the builder do it.
You have a particular situation that needs a good grasp of local planning so sometimes you have to pay for that experienced hand to get an approval rather than trust it to an unknown quantity, but the choice is yours!

A rough guide for a house for architects fees would be 8-10% of the contract value, so if you were going to get a 100 sqm house, based on around £1500 a square meter (don't know your area for prices tbh) - you're looking at a contract value around 150k
The architects fee would then be around 12-15k
split roughly into:
35% up to and including planning submission
35% up to building reg approval
and the rest on Tender/site/completion stages (and usually just charged on a time basis)

Those are extortionate figures, with no relativity to the actual work hours involved.

BTW discussing the price etc with another architect from further afield

Atasas

Ha!
:money:

Atasas wrote: »

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Still, anybody could/would know architect or not qualified one, interested, I'd love details! I really need to get going with it, as even bank will want those

After all of researches so far, I coming to the terms of pricing as measuring, basic drawings, with research (has been done) and submission for pre-app in my very small build scenario shouldn't be more than £2k.
Whilst full technical drawings, surveys for a full planning permission shouldn't be more than £5k no more than 4k with planning permission approved, with basic drawings

Will be meeting planner, who provisionally agreed on pre-app work with basic layout drawings to be somewhere £1500.... coming from Buckinghamshire...

Fingers crossed!:)

System

Atasas wrote: »

Those are extortionate figures, with no relativity to the actual work hours involved.

BTW discussing the price etc with another architect from further afield

You will find that they are based around the rough input required at each stage, whether or not you think they are extortionate, I am telling you roughly how some architects work out their pricing

System

Atasas wrote: »

Ha!
:money:


Will be meeting planner, who provisionally agreed on pre-app work with basic layout drawings to be somewhere £1500.... coming from Buckinghamshire...

Fingers crossed!:)

a pre app for 1500 quid is still pretty steep!
I think you are getting confused with what people are pricing, or what you are asking people to price.

How much has each person you've asked for a quote priced for the pre-app and only the pre-app?

Atasas

the_r_sole wrote: »

a pre app for 1500 quid is still pretty steep!
I think you are getting confused with what people are pricing, or what you are asking people to price.

How much has each person you've asked for a quote priced for the pre-app and only the pre-app?

From the beginning, I was after professional (simple) drawings...
those seem to be the issue as how if I can get this ball rolling or not and pricing... either none or "£12k all inn!" or the quote of £3.5k, that he couldn't be bothered with...

Hoploz

It sounds to me as if communication is not happening here. You have asked for quotes and you've been given them. If you believe them to include more than you have asked for them to do, then go back and ask for a stage by stage break down.

Most people hoping to build a new house would be expecting to pay for a full service taking it through the planning and BC stages and beyond, which I think you've been quoted for.

If you just want a cheapo set of drawings then ask for this ... But when you fail to get planning permission due to flaws in the plans, don't be surprised when you have to deal with the fall out from Planning, and get the lot redrawn properly, and waste a whole lot of time and money resubmitting, probably with a new architect because you will have fallen out with the person who did the first set.
TBH I'm not really sure what you are asking for here on this forum ... What's your question ... Or do you already have your answer?

Atasas

Hoploz wrote: »

It sounds to me as if communication is not happening here. You have asked for quotes and you've been given them. If you believe them to include more than you have asked for them to do, then go back and ask for a stage by stage break down.

Perhaps communication is not happening, as in between us

Hoploz wrote: »

Most people hoping to build a new house would be expecting to pay for a full service taking it through the planning and BC stages and beyond, which I think you've been quoted for.

I'm not the most, I look at the service cost, not percentage due to very many reasons and again, explained earlier why

Hoploz wrote: »

If you just want a cheapo set of drawings then ask for this ... But when you fail to get planning permission due to flaws in the plans, don't be surprised when you have to deal with the fall out from Planning, and get the lot redrawn properly, and waste a whole lot of time and money resubmitting, probably with a new architect because you will have fallen out with the person who did the first set.

Indeed cheapo drawings, with accurate measurements is requirement for pre-app, where final drawings will end being redrawn in accordance to conditions coming out of council... (I think I already explained that also)

Hoploz wrote: »

TBH I'm not really sure what you are asking for here on this forum ... What's your question ... Or do you already have your answer?

My colleague had an extension, where his architect charged £3500, with all full drawings done 3 times, as first was rejected, second had to be altered halfway through build and architect was dealing with council planners. He himself dealt with builders and materials, as to say he has been project manager.

Atasas wrote: »

I had good old chat with colleague about them things, as he's had his extension done couple of years ago and have got very good tips, where he laughed at £12k quote I had. Thought of calling him (Architect) earlier, but then, once, I got knowledgeable guide to prices (from 12- to 2k), I shall leave him to find somebody of more gullible proposition


On the way to do some "cold calling", sounded better on internet, than actual bit of daunting task to do...


Still, anybody could/would know architect or not qualified one, interested, I'd love details! I really need to get going with it, as even bank will want those


After all of researches so far, I coming to the terms of pricing as measuring, basic drawings, with research (has been done) and submission for pre-app in my very small build scenario shouldn't be more than £2k.
Whilst full technical drawings, surveys for a full planning permission shouldn't be more than £5k no more than 4k with planning permission approved, with basic drawings

Although matey will be coming back, hasn't yet, as for how we will proceed

Hoploz

And your question is ......?

Oh I give up.

Atasas

Hoploz wrote: »

And your question is ......?

Oh I give up.

Please don't!

Atasas wrote: »

Still, anybody could/would know architect or not qualified one, interested, I'd love details!

Atasas

the_r_sole wrote: »

You will always get people telling you it should be cheaper, or you should have gone to this guy, or you should have just let the builder do it.
You have a particular situation that needs a good grasp of local planning so sometimes you have to pay for that experienced hand to get an approval rather than trust it to an unknown quantity, but the choice is yours!

Amen!:D

Wasted another day measuring, explaining and letting him go, as whereas I am better informed over building req's..:o

the_r_sole wrote: »

A rough guide for a house for architects fees would be 8-10% of the contract value, so if you were going to get a 100 sqm house, based on around £1500 a square meter (don't know your area for prices tbh) - you're looking at a contract value around 150k
The architects fee would then be around 12-15k
split roughly into:
35% up to and including planning submission
35% up to building reg approval
and the rest on Tender/site/completion stages (and usually just charged on a time basis)

I don't agree with 10% or ever will

(once gain)
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5444781

hammertim wrote: »

Stage 1 (Planning/COLD)
Measurement survey and photographic survey of the existing site and buildings
Producing sketch scheme for client approval/Preparing full design drawings
Preparing and submitting planning application, dealing with all associated works
Preparing and submitting design statement and supporting information. £850.00 plus VAT

Stage 2 (Working Drawings)
Preparing and submitting application for approval under ‘Building Regulations’, dealing with associated works
inc. Preparation of specification.
£850.00 plus VAT
Other fees that may become applicable:
Structural engineer TBC upon scope of work

Thanks for looking
Tim

Realistic scenario- dilema:
Fed up calling and getting "random" quotes

Realisticly Approved Pre-App drawings with measurements and presentation to council planners should be £3-4k max

I have none....

Phlease, phlease, anybody had an an architect, that one COULD recommend as sensible and reasonable and able, would you let me know of contact details?:)