The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

beecher2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

These nationalist movements just need to be euthanized from within so we can all get back to being British rather than English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish.

Blimey. What do you mean by 'euthanized from within'? There was never a time when we were all 'British', I do wonder if you'd use language like that if you were in N Ireland. People transposed English and British, thinking they meant the same things while many in Scotland, myself included, have always thought of themselves as Scottish.

How do you imagine changing people's perceptions of their own identities?

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Ruth Davidson has set out three not unreasonable tests to be met before any second vote. I and I imagine the majority of sane people in Scotland will I hope think they are reasonable

Ruth Davidson MSP, leader of the Scottish Conservatives, said it would be “unfair” on Scots to “vote blind” in a referendum by going to the polls before the Brexit negotiations had even been completed. She refused to name an “arbitrary” date for a poll to be held and set out three tests that will push back the poll for years.

Talks would not start on a second referendum before Scots have “seen for themselves” how the Union is functioning following Brexit. The UK is due to leave the EU in March 2019 but there could be a further two-year transitional period while a trade deal is finalised.

Secondly, Ms Davidson said that Scots should know “what the alternative entails” and argued there has not been any clarity from the SNP on even “basic questions” about independence.

She also said there would also have to be political and public consent for another vote, and defined the latter as consistent 60 per cent support in the opinion polls for a referendum.

Even after the tests were met, it could take another 18 months before another referendum is held. A deal would have to be reached between the two governments, legislation passed then a minimum campaign period of six months before polling day.

Perhaps now the SNP can get back to doing the day job for the next few years and give it a rest. I however will not be holding my breath.

Ruth's in full on abject panic mode. Mainly because from what I've been reading it was her and her MSP's feeding advice to the PM that Sturgeon was bluffing and from focus groups about 'now is not the time'.

Her 'tests' are absolutely ridiculous. She of all people should know back to front how the Holyrood AMS election systems work as well. The current Scottish parliament's mandate runs until 2021. May's until 2020. Any vote in Scotland must come before 2020 because there's nothing to stop the next Westminster parliament going back on what was promised in the last.

Shakethedisease

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39309133

I have a problem with this to be honest.....shouldn't the RUK be given some sort of guarantee that this isn't going to cost yet more money?

As for renaming the BoE - well Scotland shouldn't have trashed the RBoS should it? That's their fault (and is still costing us money).

Sturgeon already proposed most of those plans to Westminster back in December. Ignored. Brown is in no position either to offer any of this and in any case his last Vow has clearly not lived up to expectations. Desperate times wheeling Brown back out again.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The current Scottish parliament's mandate runs until 2021. May's until 2020. Any vote in Scotland must come before 2020 because there's nothing to stop the next Westminster parliament going back on what was promised in the last.

What really worries Nicola is that the SNP may not win in 2021. As John Major once said, "The elasticity of democracy only stretches so far"

sss555s

Rinoa wrote: »

We'd rather keep Brexit than keep Scotland.
More... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/brexit-important-keeping-uk-together-public-say-poll-telegraph/

And we would rather keep the EU than Brexit! That's not going to happen under Westminster control hence the push for another referendum.

Could you send that link to May to try and get her to waken up!

Mortgagefreeman wrote: »

Only the loonies at the SNP could want Independence now that their main asset (Oil) is on decline. So SNP, thanks for all the oil, now you can b ugger off. Please shut the door behind you.:D

Thanks for the support and don't worry yourself about us. The last I seen was that Westminster had gained £330bn revenues from Oil and look at the mess they have put us all in. I'd hate to see where we would all be without that contribution over the years as It has only been recent years since the London financial collapse that billions have been loosely talked about.

Console yourself with this link which may slow down a tiny bit, if you're lucky > http://www.nationaldebtclock.co.uk/
I'll be happy to shut the door.

kabayiri

sss555s wrote: »

And we would rather keep the EU than Brexit! That's not going to happen under Westminster control hence the push for another referendum.

Could you send that link to May to try and get her to waken up!
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She doesn't need to.

PM May will be measured in the history books on Brexit, and Brexit alone.

It is simply far more important to most English people than keeping a small part of the UK.

Her priority is to focus on Brexit. Scotland can hold all the advisory referendums you want, and she can choose to ignore them. Being strong would actually be a vote winner in parts of England. The Tories have an opportunity to win over all those UKIP votes, and in so doing condemn Labour to the sidelines for a decade or more.

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Any vote in Scotland must come before 2020 because...........

..........otherwise the SNP will be gutted, filleted and smoked :rotfl::rotfl:


Marinate sturgeon in olive oil, coriander, shallots and dill for 8 hours, refrigerated. Soak tea and applewood chips in water for 2 hours.

sss555s

kabayiri wrote: »

She doesn't need to.

PM May will be measured in the history books on Brexit, and Brexit alone.

It is simply far more important to most English people than keeping a small part of the UK.

Her priority is to focus on Brexit. Scotland can hold all the advisory referendums you want, and she can choose to ignore them. Being strong would actually be a vote winner in parts of England. The Tories have an opportunity to win over all those UKIP votes, and in so doing condemn Labour to the sidelines for a decade or more.

I don't know about leaving the EU single market being a bigger thing than the break up of the UK on her CV but both would be historic.

The next paragraph is why a lot of Scots are frustrated. Westminster, the UK isn't working for them. We are constantly paying out for things we don't want or are relevant then being told we cost too much.

It's the old employer - employee story. While we are under Westminster control we will never get any more than they can get away with giving us, then squeeze us a bit more. Let's take control of our own affairs and deal with our own economy and problems like grown ups.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

I don't know about leaving the EU single market being a bigger thing than the break up of the UK on her CV but both would be historic.

The next paragraph is why a lot of Scots are frustrated. Westminster, the UK isn't working for them. We are constantly paying out for things we don't want or are relevant then being told we cost too much.

It's the old employer - employee story. While we are under Westminster control we will never get any more than they can get away with giving us, then squeeze us a bit more. Let's take control of our own affairs and deal with our own economy and problems like grown ups.

Address the issues like grown ups then.

You think Scotland contributes so much, why does money get repatriated from mainly England to Scotland?

Let me guess, Westminster's fault?

As I said before, this kind of thinking needs to be put down, so that we can end the misery it so clearly causes between the people of the UK.

beecher2

Holyrood voting intention (const):

SNP: 51% (+3)
CON: 24% (-1)
LAB: 14% (-1)
LDEM: 6% (-)
GRN: 4% (+1)

(via YouGov / 09 - 14 Mar)

Holyrood voting intention (list):

SNP: 40% (+1)
CON: 25% (+1)
LAB: 14% (-)
GRN: 12% (+1)
LDEM: 5% (-1)

(via YouGov / 09 - 14 Mar)