The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

If every Scot had voted Labour at the last GE we'd still have a Conservative majority government.



And an even slower one for the bright sparks south of the border who can't count...;)

No one could predict how Labour voters in the rest of the country would have reacted if they understood there was more of a chance because Scotland wasn't cutting its nose off to spite its face. It's entirely possible there would have been a higher Labour vote if they thought their chances were better than they actually were due to the SNP. Remember the talk of the Labour-SNP coalition, the SNP are divisive, and massive liars. I imagine the thought of that happening energised opposing voters.

beecher2

elantan wrote: »

I see Jill Stephenson is demanding a 60% result in the next indy ref ... she must be getting worried ... Can't stand the bitter woman so this makes me happy

Unbelievable that she's given a platform given the abusiveness of the majority of her posts. They'll be giving Spanner one next.

elantan

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And remind me again, how much good has being 'one voice in four' done us regarding our desire to stay in the EU?

Or even to have a compromise agreement where Scotland stays in the single market while the rest of the UK leaves?

Or for that matter even having control over our own immigration policy to keep free movement after the UK leaves?

Westminster has shown precisely zero willingness to compromise with Scotland on this at all.

If our voice is to be completely ignored as one in four, particularly on such a fundamental issue as this, there's no advantage to being one in four.

It's been like this for years Hamish . It's nothing new ...

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

No one could predict how Labour voters in the rest of the country would have reacted if they understood there was more of a chance because Scotland wasn't cutting its nose off to spite its face. It's entirely possible there would have been a higher Labour vote if they thought their chances were better than they actually were due to the SNP. Remember the talk of the Labour-SNP coalition, the SNP are divisive, and massive liars. I imagine the thought of that happening energised opposing voters.

I highly doubt that ... I saw the billboards the Tories put up of pictures of Alex Salmond in the pocket of Ed Milliband. .. many many fell for the propaganda ... just like they did with Brexit £350m on the side of a bus sound familiar ?

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

It's been like this for years Hamish . It's nothing new ...

Yeah. Always someone else's fault. I blame the woes on years of Scottish politicians managing the country.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

No you weren't. You wrote;



It's one thing to be stupid and wrong. (There is no transitional option until independence and Brexit is sorted out.) It's another thing to lie about it five minutes later. Crumbs, what's happened to your usual excuse about it being satire?



Nope. It's a very relevant pricking of another of your delusional bubbles.



No it isn't. It's not an option until Scotland is independent. And even if Scotland were to vote yes in a referendum actual independence would still be some years worth of fractious negotiating away.

Until that time Article 56 applies, and neither the EU or EFTA will be interested in negotiating, because as the Supreme Court ruled "Relations with the EU and other foreign affairs matters are reserved to UK Government and parliament, not to the devolved institutions." Thus the devolved Holyrood instituion has no legal power to enter into any treaty with them.



As you can see, I have have actually read your post with a far greater attention to detail than you have. You don't even appear to be able to understand or remember what you yourself are posting, let alone anything else's.:)

I was clearly talking about winning an indy ref and that in my own opinion Sturgeon should be mooting EEA/EFTA as possible transitional options in the event of a Yes win.

You on the other hand were babbling on about how Norway wouldn't allow Scotland access if unless it were independent. We've crossed wires somewhere, and it's best if you just admit it and move on.

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

Anyone interested in matters Scottish should watch last nights BBC parliament channel from the Scots Parliament where a Tory carefully listed all the ills of the Scottish economic performance

BBC online news is far more accessible. Scottish NHS outperforming everywhere else in the UK. People will like that, hopefully the SNP will have this plastered all over social media 24/7 for the next few weeks.

The system: The NHS is run by 14 health boards that organise hospital and community services. Social care is organised by councils with personal care - that is help with washing and dressing - provided free in people's homes and residential care if an individual has high needs.
The story so far: Out of all the four nations, hospitals in Scotland seem to have fared the best.
Weekly data shows four-hour performance in major units hovering around the 90% mark during January.
Much of the credit has been given to the way councils and the health service are working together.
Budgets have been pooled, encouraging a close working relationship to help get frail patients out of hospital by providing extra rehabilitation services in the community.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-38853700

Rail not too bad either.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Holyrood is not the body that Westminster should be compromising with, Holyrood's job is to run devolved matters. End of.

What you ought to do is turn your blame to the SNP voting Scots for not supporting a UK party in the GE meaning we had a highly likely Conservative government who had promised an EU referendum. The woes that SNP supporters now speak about are in part their responsibility, and they ought to recognise that instead of blaming those of us who voted for the Conservatives and then for Leave. Disunity has caused your voice in Westminster to mean absolutely nothing compared to a Labour opposition or government.

Slow round of applause is required for the bright sparks north of the border moaning about a situation they helped to create :rotfl:

My goodness when we get to the point of blaming political parties for people voting for them we truly have jumped the shark haven't we Tricky. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::T

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

My goodness when we get to the point of blaming political parties for people voting for them we truly have jumped the shark haven't we Tricky. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::T

The liberal use of "smilies" doesn't make this post any less idiotic.

Any chance of addressing the issues sensible posters raise....like ever?

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

My goodness when we get to the point of blaming political parties for people voting for them we truly have jumped the shark haven't we Tricky. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::T

I wasn't blaming the SNP for people voting for them. I'll blame the SNP for propagating lies and independence as a solution to some of the lies.

The reason for SNP voters not being represented in government in Westminster is because you vote for a regional party. You then complain that you have no left wing governmental representation. You say that you and many Scots hate the Conservatives, I can think of no better way of giving the Conservatives power than splitting the Labour vote, like you did.

Like I said, slow round of applause. :T

Now you hope you're going into an independence campaign again, except this time with less answers than you had in 2014 and ironically less to gain.

Might as well give you the referendum (although I believe you won't get it until Westminster is happy for you to get it) because we will watch it crash and burn and put the topic to bed for the next 25 - 50 years, if not more hopefully.