The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

kabayiri

beecher2 wrote: »

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Who knows how things are going to play out, we've got a deeply divided country which has changed so much in the past few years. The collapse of Labour looks terminal, Tory support is at 25% and everything seems to be seen through independence/unionist lens.Even if independence is taken off the table for a decade, I think it is going to always be hovering in the background.
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It's partly the SNP rise which has done for Labour. They could rely in the past on a strong showing in Scotland.

Some of the same frustrations people in Scotland show can also be seen with the rapid rise in UKIP support in places like North England / NE England.

You can see why.

In the last annual figures London spent £11bn on transport infrastructure.

In the same period the WHOLE of North of England spent £13bn, not an appreciable amount more but over a vastly wider area.

It's little wonder London goes on from strength to strength, and the young are deserting places like Fleetwood.

setmefree2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

From Rinoa's link:
The Tories appear to be picking up support from the two parties, with 25 per cent saying they would vote for Ruth Davidson's party in a Holyrood election - up four points from August.

Good news - Scotland have got to start voting for anyone but the SNP.

kabayiri

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Oh my, what a surprise.
Just what some of us have been telling pro-SNP supporters on here for some time.
Now queue denial, diversion and irrelevent posts galore!

Is it possible to consider the neutral voter's perspective?

You have just seen a pretty turbulent 2016 : Brexit vote ; Trump election ; pound devaluation ; no progress in Euro or Syrian refugee crisis.

Do you want a further jump into the unknown?

I personally wouldn't be committing to joining the EU as a small nation right now. They will demand you choose the Euro in time. That will be incredibly constraining.

TrickyTree83

kabayiri wrote: »

Is it possible to consider the neutral voter's perspective?

You have just seen a pretty turbulent 2016 : Brexit vote ; Trump election ; pound devaluation ; no progress in Euro or Syrian refugee crisis.

Do you want a further jump into the unknown?

I personally wouldn't be committing to joining the EU as a small nation right now. They will demand you choose the Euro in time. That will be incredibly constraining.

Yep, not the same question as in 2014, a much harder question, a much harder argument to win. You won't hear that from Nicola or the SNP, independence is the overriding answer to everything, no matter the evidence to the contrary.

beecher2

Age profile of Yougov poll interesting
16-24 Yes 63%, No 37%
25 - 49 Yes 56% No 44%
50 - 64 Yes 39 No 61%
65 plus Yes 17% No 83%

75% of SNP voters would vote yes, so I suppose that 25% are going to be more likely to switch to tory.

Remain voters 51% Yes, 49% No
Leave voters 29% 71% No

CLAPTON

beecher2 wrote: »

Age profile of Yougov poll interesting
16-24 Yes 63%, No 37%
25 - 49 Yes 56% No 44%
50 - 64 Yes 39 No 61%
65 plus Yes 17% No 83%

75% of SNP voters would vote yes, so I suppose that 25% are going to be more likely to switch to tory.

Remain voters 51% Yes, 49% No
Leave voters 29% 71% No

so school children and people not old enough to have experience of life or have the responsibility of parent hood or a responsible role in business etc predominately vote for independence, the others vote to stay
very interesting.

beecher2

CLAPTON wrote: »

a responsible roll in business .

Which is more responsible, a sausage roll or a cheese roll?

CLAPTON

beecher2 wrote: »

Which is more responsible, a sausage roll or a cheese roll?

thanks you for your useful insight into these complicated issues.
I would obviously have to ask a child to find the answer to your question.

beecher2

kabayiri wrote: »

Is it possible to consider the neutral voter's perspective?

You have just seen a pretty turbulent 2016 : Brexit vote ; Trump election ; pound devaluation ; no progress in Euro or Syrian refugee crisis.

Do you want a further jump into the unknown?

I personally wouldn't be committing to joining the EU as a small nation right now. They will demand you choose the Euro in time. That will be incredibly constraining.

I'm not sure how many neutrals there are really - 10% don't knows in that YouGov poll, 3% saying they wouldn't vote. I think election/politics fatigue is quite significant in Scotland - we have had a lot of votes, and a lot of political discussion for what seems like an eternity. A bit of relative peace after the madness of 2016 sounds quite appealing but I do think constitutional affairs will loom over politics regardless.

kabayiri

beecher2 wrote: »

I'm not sure how many neutrals there are really - 10% don't knows in that YouGov poll, 3% saying they wouldn't vote. I think election/politics fatigue is quite significant in Scotland - we have had a lot of votes, and a lot of political discussion for what seems like an eternity. A bit of relative peace after the madness of 2016 sounds quite appealing but I do think constitutional affairs will loom over politics regardless.

Don't you think that some people sit close to the Indy Yes/No line?

That was certainly the case in my household over Brexit. In the end we were 50/50 which pretty much reflects my area in fact.

It wouldn't take much big news to push us one way or the other.

Oh, and I can't see any relative peace coming anytime soon

There are some big issues still unresolved, all we have had so far is a bit of can kicking.