The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They will. This is potentially significant regarding Ireland/N Ireland.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ireland-idUKKCN11I0RI

The customs union is the key part regarding Ireland.

There's no way a soft border can legally exist between a UK out of the customs union and the ROI in it.

It'd rapidly become a smugglers paradise.

So either the UK stays in the customs union but that means no independent trade deals, or the ROI comes out of the customs union and there's no way they'll accept that.

The only other alternative is a hard border between NI and ROI.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Heh heh....

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/pro-independence-blog-wings-over-scotland-has-been-suspended?utm_term=.qmzrWw8wEw#.igGz13L3D3

Not normally a fan of censorship but this is mildly amusing.

Hopefully Twitter will let him back on soon and this serves as a warning to the more rabid supporters to pull their necks in a bit...

Was bound to happen sooner or later. However one always be open to the fact that there are two sides to every story. The Daily Express have been going a bit overboard with hate speech themselves lately. Seeing these headlines altogether like that... sheesh.

Just a few months after the appalling murder of Labour MP Jo Cox, we can only hope that the Express’ dismal sales figures mean that not enough people are reading this neverending torrent of inflammatory bile for some deranged lunatic to actually assault Nicola Sturgeon in the street. But if they don’t, it won’t be for lack of the media trying.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/ready-to-rumble/

Is not my own blog reading of choice, but he was right about the Daily Express in recent weeks. 'DESTROY, KILL OFF, SLAMS, BACK OFF, HOLE IN THE HEAD, COWARD, SLAPS' FIGHT'... all in block caps over a sustained period.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The customs union is the key part regarding Ireland.

There's no way a soft border can legally exist between a UK out of the customs union and the ROI in it.

It'd rapidly become a smugglers paradise.

So either the UK stays in the customs union but that means no independent trade deals, or the ROI comes out of the customs union and there's no way they'll accept that.

The only other alternative is a hard border between NI and ROI.

Very difficult for Theresa May to offer any solutions which will suit everyone. Especially with Johnson breathing down her neck demanding a Hard Brexit.

My personal view is that she'll go for a soft Brexit. But the ramifications will go on for years afterwards and we can see from Labour what happens to parties where the infighting has gotten out of hand. Spain is also making noises about Gibraltar.

Just a few weeks ago the Spanish foreign minister, Jos! Manuel Garc!a-Margallo said that he expected that within four to five years the UK would return to England’s 16th century borders as a result of Brexit. He said that’s what happens when a ruling party falls under the influence of political extremists like UKIP, and he expected Scotland to seek another independence referendum as a consequence. So much for a Spanish veto then.

Although he did threaten to veto Westminster’s Brexit if they want to include Gibraltar, which means the only explicit veto threat that Spain has ever made in connection with the UK, Scotland and the EU has been a threat to veto Westminster and the Tories, not Scotland. Ouch.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2016/09/09/friends-in-high-places/

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The customs union is the key part regarding Ireland.

There's no way a soft border can legally exist between a UK out of the customs union and the ROI in it.

It'd rapidly become a smugglers paradise.

So either the UK stays in the customs union but that means no independent trade deals, or the ROI comes out of the customs union and there's no way they'll accept that.

The only other alternative is a hard border between NI and ROI.

total nonsense of course

there has been a long and noble history of cross border smuggling (a wonderful example of the mutual benefits of free trade without a 2 million page 'trade deal'). it also has the benefit that rather than take 10 years to negotiate it will happen with half an hour of the smell of money.

obviously 'remainers' hate the idea of free trade.

there is zero possibility of the UK establishing a physical barrier between NI and Eire and I would say the probability of Eire doing it is around zero % too.

.string.

Spanish veto of Brexit. I don't think the veto applies on Brexit, it's some sort of majority vote. But I'm not sure.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Spanish veto of Brexit. I don't think the veto applies on Brexit, it's some sort of majority vote. But I'm not sure.

Yes, the same would apply to Scotland remaining in as is. Is a majority vote which Spain won't have a veto over either, only a re-application from scratch. Worth remembering.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's more or less a done deal. He only needs a majority in the EU parliament to secure his appointment. No matter how Farage and UKIP vote.

Wasn't Verhofstadt the one who stated that Farage's salary was the biggest waste of money in the EU ?

I too do not believe Verhofstadt will be unselected, but the questions about his objectivity may be good theatre.

Don't expect me to defend Farage!

I changed the name Hurling to Girling the typo was a casualty of auto-correct. Girling is a Tory.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, the same would apply to Scotland remaining in as is. Is a majority vote which Spain won't have a veto over either, only a re-application from scratch. Worth remembering.

Do you have as link for that?

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Do you have as link for that?

Here's one of the tabloid ones.

AN INDEPENDENT Scotland could become a member of the European Union even if Spain wanted to block it, a law expert has revealed. Professor Sionaidh Douglas-Scott said full statehood could be achieved if a majority, rather than a unanimity, of EU members, backed it.
Her view of the complex EU rule book removes the threat of a single country, such as Spain, being able to veto Scottish membership for their own domestic reasons...
..Douglas-Scott said: “If Scotland, whether as successor state or with some other arrangement, wanted to proceed under the umbrella of article 50, it would be looking for a majority, rather than unanimity.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independent-scotland-would-only-need-8343623

More of her work is easily Googled, but the main case she makes that Article 50 as you state only requires a majority to pass.The EU will pass Article 50 re Brexit via that majority but with Scotland removed. Hence Scotland remains via those means, rather than Articles 48 or 49 ( which we bantered back and forth about a lot in 2014 ) or any sort of reapplication.

Spain also gets a free pass on vetoing Scotland expressly as even if they say no, aware of Catalonia... they can claim 'sadly' that it was a will of the EU not Spain. But still keep those fishing quotas anyway.

https://constitution-unit.com/tag/sionaidh-douglas-scott/

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Here's one of the tabloid ones.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independent-scotland-would-only-need-8343623

More of her work is easily Googled, but the main case she makes that Article 50 as you state only requires a majority to pass.The EU will pass Article 50 re Brexit via that majority but with Scotland removed. Hence Scotland remains via those means, rather than Articles 48 or 49 ( which we bantered back and forth about a lot in 2014 ) or any sort of reapplication.

Spain also gets a free pass on vetoing Scotland expressly as even if they say no, aware of Catalonia... they can claim 'sadly' that it was a will of the EU not Spain. But still keep those fishing quotas anyway.

https://constitution-unit.com/tag/sionaidh-douglas-scott/

of course , every country in the EU wants scotland to join asap ; its just that they are a little shy about saying so.