The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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elantan wrote: »

Ha ha ha ha a rant I like it

Not everyone supports the SNP... but you know this already ... i didn't even bother to read after that bit ...

@TT--- there you have the reason that some people in Scotland are taken in by those members --- they're simply can' be bothered to check the facts and think for themselves.

@mollycat ---no I've not left, I do read this thread though I have to admit it - I only skim over some of the daft ones.

I note, thought that anti-unionist vitriol has increased. I wonder if Scotland can suffer another internecine Referendum event without we were damage.

It seems me that Sturgeon is on the cusp of making a lose/lose decision, if she has not already done it in her statements over Brexit and Referendums. She has made so many silly assertions that her self-assumed credibility is about to. crack.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

What are you insinuating people in the UK are by posting a picture of that poster from Farage? To me it looks like you're trying to say we're all intolerant racists/xenophobes/<insert derogatory term here>.

Do you want to qualify your statement? Give it some context?

I think you may have jumped the gun there and you may want to retract it.

I'd challenge you to ask any number of English, Welsh, Northern Irish and see if they agree with what that poster said and how they interpreted it. You'll actually find out Mollycat is correct. Apart from a few bad apples - and Scotland is no exception - on the whole people are generally OK with each other.

And lets also note the anti-English sentiment running through the Indy campaign. The more I look at social media in particular, where comments are not moderated, the more I'm seeing this anti-English theme. It may be a minority of Indy supporters but it doesn't make it OK. I'll come out and denounce that Farage poster, Britain First, BNP, EDL and UKIP. Fostering division as these political parties do is not the way to solve problems and tensions in our society. I see none of the Indy support castigating the anti-English brigade. Does that mean that anti-English sentiment is another string to the bow of the cause for independence? What is the explanation for the lack of vitriol aimed at these Indy-xenophobes?

What's wrong Tricky, getting fed up of being accused of something you personally know you are not ( a racist xenophobe ) along with 100,000's of thousands of others who voted the same way as yourself ?

Well welcome to our world what it's like to be an < insert derogatory statement >Scottish independence supporter and/or SNP voter luvvie. Suck it up.

You're not too fond of context yourself much when it comes to the SNP, don't be surprised when you get the same extremely low brow standards aimed at you based on how you voted. Mollycat in fact is a prime example of just such standards and best ignored really when one is after some from of intelligent debate.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

@TT--- there you have the reason that some people in Scotland are taken in by those members --- they're simply can' be bothered to check the facts and think for themselves.

And this is another example of low brow standards. Insinuating in fact that Scottish voters are gullible fools and far too stupid and lazy to check facts for themselves.

It seems me that Sturgeon is on the cusp of making a lose/lose decision, if she has not already done it in her statements over Brexit and Referendums. She has made so many silly assertions that her self-assumed credibility is about to. crack.

No decision until article 50. If it's a hard Brexit then there will be a referendum. Junker and Merkel will probably be over campaigning for the Yes side along with half the Scottish Labour party.

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

And this is another example of low brow standards. Insinuating in fact that Scottish voters are gullible fools and far too stupid and lazy to check facts for themselves.



No decision until article 50. If it's a hard Brexit then there will be a referendum. Junker and Merkel will probably be over campaigning for the Yes side along with half the Scottish Labour party.

Well on this first point:

Well it's a fact - though not with all Sottish vorters as you claim, for example the Voters who voted No cant be accused of being takne in and and those who voted Yes regardless of the fact that they know the SNP spin was and is misleading lies. The latter care not for truth and as for those who believed that rubbish then, Yes, I think they are lazy and/or gullible.

On the second point: that is just the start of another meme and really rather silly.

elantan

.string. wrote: »

@TT--- there you have the reason that some people in Scotland are taken in by those members --- they're simply can' be bothered to check the facts and think for themselves.

@mollycat ---no I've not left, I do read this thread though I have to admit it - I only skim over some of the daft ones.

I note, thought that anti-unionist vitriol has increased. I wonder if Scotland can suffer another internecine Referendum event without we were damage.

It seems me that Sturgeon is on the cusp of making a lose/lose decision, if she has not already done it in her statements over Brexit and Referendums. She has made so many silly assertions that her self-assumed credibility is about to. crack.

Ofcourse ONLY the anti unionist vitriol has increased ... those who want independence certainly don't receive any vitriol at all ... no siree never ... not one wee bit

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

What's wrong Tricky, getting fed up of being accused of something you personally know you are not ( a racist xenophobe ) along with 100,000's of thousands of others who voted the same way as yourself ?

Well welcome to our world what it's like to be an < insert derogatory statement >Scottish independence supporter and/or SNP voter luvvie. Suck it up.

You're not too fond of context yourself much when it comes to the SNP, don't be surprised when you get the same extremely low brow standards aimed at you based on how you voted. Mollycat in fact is a prime example of just such standards and best ignored really when one is after some from of intelligent debate.

Ignore the type of points you don't want to hear more like!

You really need to try a little harder with the content^^^ BTW if you're going to accuse others of being "low brow"

It's okay Shakey, people around here realise that your "intelligent debate" is synonymous with discrediting and dividing those who disagree with you.

People in rUK have you sussed!

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

Ignore the type of points you don't want to hear more like!

You really need to try a little harder with the content^^^ BTW if you're going to accuse others of being "low brow"

It's okay Shakey, people around here realise that your "intelligent debate" is synonymous with discrediting and dividing those who disagree with you.

People in rUK have you sussed!

You really need to try a little harder with the content^^^ BTW if you're going to accuse others of being "low brow"

It's okay Shakey, people around here realise that your "intelligent debate" is synonymous with discrediting and dividing those who disagree with you.

This is called personalising the debate down to barbs against one person or a few people rather than actually discussing any relevant issues. It's low brow stuff and isn't interesting for everyone else to read. If you have a specific problem with myself, Leanne, elantan or anyone else you keep mentioning in your posts or talking to in some imagined and extremely patronising Scots dialect .. then do feel free to message me, or the relevant party and continue this privately.

It's also why so many threads on forums end up as slagging matches. When you want to discuss Scotland and any issues concerning Scotland, then please, feel free. If it's me and my posting style or whatever else you happen to think of me.. then just message me as it would be more appropriate to discuss it off the public boards.

Now, have you any thoughts on the Scottish Labour party at the present time ? Do you think they'll get rid of Kezia or split up with the main party ? Do you think regardless of your personal opinion that there will be another independence referendum within the next 2 years ? What do you think the impact on Scotland will be if there is no referendum yet there's a hard Brexit in both economic and political terms ?

Lots to talk about besides me and other posters. And not a hint of a fake Scottish accent needed in order to do so.

TrickyTree83

This has gotten out of hand quite quickly.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

This has gotten out of hand quite quickly.

No, it just needs steered back on topic. Which incidentally, doesn't include :-

Och aye the noo Leanne I didnae mean tae guddle yer troots!

Say what you like about the pro indy posters here there's rarely any of this sort of nonsense in response to other posts from an opposing viewpoint. These issues matter ( well we wouldn't be posting if we weren't interested ) whatever perspective one is coming from. I'm actually interested in your views which is why I respond to them from my own.

There are some challenging times ahead both politically and economically for both the UK and Scotland. Surely we can all get by and discuss them, however heated one feels about the issue, without having to guddle any troots ?

Let's leave this here and draw a line under it.

baldelectrician

mollycat wrote: »

It's Nationalism, (all of it), and people who are determined to destroy my country and way of life -
failed child abuse inquiries, a ruling elite, child abuse cover ups at the heart of the UK establishment, House of Lords, Tory governments for the forseeable future (esp after boundary changes)

Voted democratically to stay- fair enough, your choice

Get a massive benefit from staying in the UK- the doubling of the national debt since 2008, austerity max, Tories (again), steel plant closure threats, our children leaving once they finish university as the job prospects are poorer because we are still in the UK

No economic prospect going forward- you are probably right IF we stay as part of the UK. You freely admit the UK appears to have failed to run Scotlands ecomomy well- yet you still wish to stay - Scotholm syndrome?

Have all the powers we actually need within our devolved government anyway - if by ALL you mean road signs and 25% of tax and 15% of welfare then you may think you are right. For example we do not control immigration and have to 'beg' Westmonster to keep families like the Brain family here.

And despite the never ending propaganda war from SNP our comrades within the Uk still support NO voting unionists in our fight to reject nationalism- you mean nearly 600 MP's voting against ANY additional powers from Westmonster to Scotland

Elantan. Leanne, Beecher, Shakey et al; I don't understand you, what you want, hope to achieve etc, etc and i never will- - presumably you want them to get back in their box and doff the hat to further London rule and know their place

I live a contented life, am loved and love others in return- fair enough

We live in a tolerant, cosmopolitan progressive country, (I'm talking about the UK), and people in Scotland are no more likely to exhibit generosity, humanity and charity than someone in ,(say), Burnley, Wrexham or Bangor.

There are no differences between us, so I get troubled when nationalism seeks to fabricate a spurious identity for us north of the border- like the fact that 58/59 Scottish MP's, the Labour party (Scotland branch), and the Scottish Government party and parliament voted against Trident renewal but they went ahead anyway, to name 1

In my ideal world we stick together; we don't retreat into inward looking enclaves. No problem with working with other countries post indy, but another Iraq invarion style war may not go ahead

I honestly have no idea what or why it is you guys want. Control of out country and it's rescoursces

I can't understand why you wouldn't want to tackle the injustices that bother you from within a UK framework- that has not worked for over 300 years- now you think it will work ?

I bear you no personal malice, but if you achieve your goal I would walk away from here and others would too, (no loss I hear you say, but I fear it would be and probably the beginning of the end for Scotland, economically and culturally). It would be a loss if people left, but thats free will- remember the thousands of Scots who left during the highland clearances to the new world and the thousands who left after the 2nd world war- we survived but our prospects were lowered due to so many young / skilled people leaving (another example or your union benefiting Scotland ?)

Here's the rub; 55% of people a lot like me, 45% of people a lot like you. How is it fixed?
By working for a better Scotland post independence- and by time- 70% of people above 70 voted NO, 60 % of people below 25 voted YES and 55% of people between 25 and 55 voted YES.
Time is on the side of the inependence cause

Who knows.

Remember the posters around Scotland telling us we needed to vote NO in 2014 to save our place in the EU - that didn't work well.
Screenshot of Better Together tweet;


Add that to the 120,000 EU nationals wo were in Scotland and mainly voted NO then- they are very likely to switch to YES in the next indy ref.
My neighbours are a lovely Polish / German couple and have told me they have switched from NO to YES on indy- like almost all of their friends.

The 45% are no more - it is creeping up to 50% and will be over 50% by the turn of the year.