The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Leanne1812

Still waiting for Mollycat to explain why most Yes voters did so.

TrickyTree83

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Tricky, you have to try and remember you're late to the party. Very late.

We've had this debate for at least 3 years now. Longer for some. So everything you say is something we have listened to and heard many, many times before. So, you can carry on & on thinking we are gleaning something new from you. I actually think you should thank Shakes for having the patience & courtesy to respond to you.

Things have changed. The EU referendum has made many look at the union in a new way and question their loyalty to it.

I'm still not thinking too much about another Scottish referendum but I am anxious to find out how and what Scotland's position & role with the EU will be. If we retain access to the single market & freedom of movement then I'd imagine that would appease those who may have voted Yes but will stick with No. If we don't achieve that then it's game on.

Just because people do not accept logic and reason the first time they come across it doesn't not mean it should not continue to be pointed out.

There's still been no defence, no proposals for economic success or stability. No recognition of the implications of policies which bloat a welfare state in an already debt laden economy.

Leanne1812

So what happened to logic & reason when you voted Leave? Wouldn't you agree it's rich to preach to those who voted for reasons outwith economics when it looks like you did so too.

elantan

Anyone going to Skye for the Yestival?

Rinoa

Leanne1812 wrote: »

So what happened to logic & reason when you voted Leave? Wouldn't you agree it's rich to preach to those who voted for reasons outwith economics when it looks like you did so too.

There's economics, and then there is economics.

Scotland benefiting from England's generosity by £15Bn is equivalent to the UK receiving around £140Bn every year from the EU.

If that were the case I would have voted remain. Sovereignty is only worth so much.

elantan

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Still waiting for Mollycat to explain why most Yes voters did so.

:rotfl: aye ye will wait :rotfl:

Tromking

Rinoa wrote: »

There's economics, and then there is economics.

Scotland benefiting from England's generosity by £15Bn is equivalent to the UK receiving around £140Bn every year from the EU.

If that were the case I would have voted remain. Sovereignty is only worth so much.

The independence conundrum for most Scots neatly summed up in one post.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

The independence conundrum for most Scots neatly summed up in one post.

There's economics and economics.

Then there's economics v's politics. Something which Theresa May is going to have to somehow find a way to balance in the next few months. The people voted out via politics, but the economics of leaving are very uncertain.

The same is true of Scotland. The politics of leaving are looking more and more attractive as time moves on. The economics of leaving are very uncertain. However, that didn't stop England and Wales did it ? We should be taking notes. In the end though, politics will always override the economic arguments if political sentiment is strong enough. As we've all just seen.

Shakethedisease

I think the knives are coming out and getting sharpened for Kezia.

Senior MEP: Europe will negotiate relationship with Scotland

Labour’s David Martin says attitudes within the EU about Scotland have been changed by Brexit vote

I’ve come to the view articulated by Alex Rowley as deputy leader that unless there is a strong case for something to be a UK competence, it shouldn’t be,” Martin said.
“So unless something had to be at a UK level - I’d argue there isn’t very much, defence, foreign policy, and probably social security, maybe elements of broadcasting - but beyond that basically nothing. Everything else should be Scottish.

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/9001/senior-mep-europe-will-negotiate-relationship-scotland

SCOTTISH Labour leader Kezia Dugdale has sparked anger inside her own party for disappearing to the US at a time of momentous political events back home.

“She left the party rudderless and went on a jaunt to the USA.
If she can’t be bothered being here to defend the party when it is crumbling before our very eyes, why should we support it? It seems to us that she doesn’t really care and it is causing even more unrest within the party.”
Another said he was becoming “increasingly disillusioned” by the leadership in Scotland and insisted it was in “dire” need of a massive shake up.

http://www.thenational.scot/politics/scottish-labour-insiders-slam-kezia-dugdale-for-long-absence-and-usa-jaunt-at-critical-time.20814

And good news everyone, Scotland will definitely be going independent soon #mcternanpredicts Wooooooo !

Scots have not shifted to Yes over Brexit. It's the UK, come what may.

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1362975-scots-have-not-shifted-to-yes-over-brexit-it-s-the-uk-come-what-may/

beecher2

Haha, I have no idea why McTernan is still asked his opinion, and presumably paid for it. Has anyone every been so wrong about so many things?

If I was Kezia I'd stay away, I feel sorry for her.