The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

If the UK doesn't leave the EU do you think the SNP won't want independence any more?

For the SNP all roads lead to Indy 2.0.

Ah yes, they will want it. But the "material change in circumstances" won't come to pass. So the vote in 2014 will stand since this loose reasoning for usurping the 2014 vote disappears.

I just loved the irony of an institution hated by the Scottish nationalists (HoL) would achieve the aim they now put forward as the reason for indy2, negating the need for it if they were to be believed.

I wonder what their next reason would be.

wotsthat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Ah yes, they will want it. But the "material change in circumstances" won't come to pass. So the vote in 2014 will stand since this loose reasoning for usurping the 2014 vote disappears.

I just loved the irony of an institution hated by the Scottish nationalists (HoL) would achieve the aim they now put forward as the reason for indy2, negating the need for it if they were to be believed.

It's in the eye of the beholder. A 'material change in circumstances' was coined by and is defined by the SNP.

The SNP aren't worried about irony.

TrickyTree83

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/got-euros-elsewhere?utm_term=.sfe9WJBMAX#.fhWbNe0DPr

Also interesting since Shakey claims political parties are cultivating a consensus on independence for Scotland:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/695472/Nicola-Sturgeon-obsession-with-independence-ruining-Holyrood-EU-consensus-claims-Rennie

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Perhaps it is time to "seal the deal". Thats if Scots Nationalists want to inflict instant poverty on the Scottish people of course.
As per usual you confuse the voting patterns of Scots in a nice safe Westminster and Holyrood election with the ramifications of Scots going nuclear and voting for independence in an indyref.

The article concerns politics and Westminster. Unsustainable with there being no UK wide parties any more.

Have you also forgotten the wholesale temporary abandonment of the SNP cause by the Tartan Tories outside the central belt in the last indyref? How long before the former Labour voting Tory hating 'Jonny-come-lately's' to the SNP cause in the central belt start driving away those more traditional SNP voters I wonder?
As politics in Scotland becomes more binary you should expect the only party to dine out on its Unionist credentials to make sweeping gains in the future. The Tories becoming the official opposition at Holyrood is just the start in my opinion.

The Tories will be lucky to get any further than they have gotten so far. Davidson is very good at hiding the fact she is one. The rest of her MSP's are virtually unknown, and their entire vote share relies on the SNP as a party to vote against. They have no other policies.

Where the SNP voteshare is lower is due to the fact they are in traditional Lib dem/Tory/SNP marginals, and it always has been. Tory and Lib Dem voters tactical vote en masse now. The SNP has however, replaced those with votes in what was traditional Labour grounds.

Thrugelmir

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/got-euros-elsewhere?utm_term=.sfe9WJBMAX#.fhWbNe0DPr

Also interesting since Shakey claims political parties are cultivating a consensus on independence for Scotland:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/695472/Nicola-Sturgeon-obsession-with-independence-ruining-Holyrood-EU-consensus-claims-Rennie

She's not as smart as one might think. No one is going to trust her word at the rate she is going. Assumption is dangerous for any politician.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/got-euros-elsewhere?utm_term=.sfe9WJBMAX#.fhWbNe0DPr

Also interesting since Shakey claims political parties are cultivating a consensus on independence for Scotland:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/695472/Nicola-Sturgeon-obsession-with-independence-ruining-Holyrood-EU-consensus-claims-Rennie

Buzzfeed and the Express ? Steady on with the high level reportage. Visiting Lib Dem voice is far better in gauging Scottish Lib Dem approaches. But that being said, the Lib Dems and Willie Rennie are pretty irrelevant these days anyway.

He'd do better to ask his own party what they'll do if Scotland is taken out of the EU. Because shrugging shoulders and 'just letting the Tories do it anyway' will NOT be an acceptable answer for many of his Scottish party, nor those who vote for them.

In other words, he's talking mince and like Scottish Labour, better start answering a few questions of their own. Both of these parties sent Sturgeon to Brussels with full approval to explore all options to stay in the EU. I think Nicola Sturgeon is on holiday so he's probably taking the opportunity to moan a bit while she's away. The Lib Dems are a pro-EU party to their core. I have no idea what Rennie is smoking.

New YouGov poll Poll of Scot vtrs How well NS is doing as First Minister:
Well: 62% +3
Badly: 28% -5

Europe Elects ‏@EuropeElects

UK: Support for Scottish Independence, YouGov poll:
Germany: 71%
Denmark: 67%
Finland: 66%
Sweden: 64%
France: 61%

beecher2

The Daily Express is just a new level of horror! And Willie Rennie is just irrelevant, they're in 5th place with 5 MSPs!

In the real world, I liked the tone of this letter
https://www.scribd.com/document/319543716/Reply-From-First-Minister-27th-July-2016
shows

TrickyTree83

It'll swing back and the SNP will get battered eventually.

There's some cracking blogs I've been coming across (chokka, Whyte Paper) which smash to pieces stuff on WoS. Even these blogs recognise that the nationalists will refuse to read/acknowledge truths that aren't what they want to hear.

It doesn't really matter which media outlet is linked when there's multiple sources available.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14653751.Willie_Rennie_accuses_Nicola_Sturgeon_of_risking_Holyrood_consensus_on_EU_because_of_focus_on_independence/?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-s-john-mason-boycotts-barrhead-travel-over-no-stance-1-4192255?

So shall we stop bashing the URL? Ta.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It'll swing back and the SNP will get battered eventually.

There's some cracking blogs I've been coming across (chokka, Whyte Paper) which smash to pieces stuff on WoS. Even these blogs recognise that the nationalists will refuse to read/acknowledge truths that aren't what they want to hear.

It doesn't really matter which media outlet is linked when there's multiple sources available.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14653751.Willie_Rennie_accuses_Nicola_Sturgeon_of_risking_Holyrood_consensus_on_EU_because_of_focus_on_independence/?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-s-john-mason-boycotts-barrhead-travel-over-no-stance-1-4192255?

So shall we stop bashing the URL? Ta.

I'm afraid the Scottish press is very circular and narrow. The Express is beyond parody and the Scotsman.. well a quick look below the line is enough to confirm that those that frequent the pages are stuck in a 2014 time warp still talking about Salmond.

The Scottish media tends to inflate and trumpet even to the point twitter comments are reported as news (!) , and Willie Rennie is deemed relevant ( as an example can you imagine Nick Clegg these days plastered in every single newspaper over a few comments about Theresa May ? ). As long it is something to do with the SNP... then it's first page news with blanket coverage. This in my own opinion is hurting the other Scottish political parties greatly. These days they don't really try any more for any coverage unless they are talking nasty about the SNP, to the extent Twitter is now serious news. This in turn reinforces the message to Scots that Scottish politics begins and ends with the SNP.

This fact above is also hurting the press in Scotland. The twitter comment was out of context and was a sarcastic response to a twitter user who was talking about putting the Brain family on the first plane back to Oz. Conveniently airbrushed out of the story. But this is nothing unusual. and we've all learned to live with one sided reportage here. Most of us saw the whole Twitter conversation the single comment was taken from.

Scottish media today summed up :-

Kenny just nails it with his retweet of David's article echoing Chris's thoughts on Stephen's take on Alex's piece on Iain. A must read.

And at the end of the day. I'm not really sure why people like yourself are interested in posting up endless tabloid fodder like twitter spats. They make no difference to the bigger issues at all.

Yes Kevin Hague is good at what he does. Imo he's far too narrow in scope and talks about GERS to the extent that he excludes everything else on his blog. GERS is simple accounting stats, not an economy nor running one. There is a VAST difference which is what Mr Hague also tends to airbrush out of his own discussions. His blog would be far more interesting if he focused on solutions to the problems he whines about rather than just his 'nope, can't do it' answer to every single question posed to him.

I'll stop bashing the url when I feel free enough myself to post up daily WingsoverScotland articles and when I get actual comment on the content rather than the blog name.

ps the Labour party was dominant in Scotland for 4 or 5 decades. I wouldn't be popping the champagne corks just yet waiting for that swing back either.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm afraid the Scottish press is very circular and narrow. The Express is beyond parody and the Scotsman.. well a quick look below the line is enough to confirm that those that frequent the pages are stuck in a 2014 time warp still talking about Salmond.

The Scottish media tends to inflate and trumpet even to the point twitter comments are reported as news (!) , and Willie Rennie is deemed relevant ( as an example can you imagine Nick Clegg these days plastered in every single newspaper over a few comments about Theresa May ? ). As long it is something to do with the SNP... then it's first page news with blanket coverage. This in my own opinion is hurting the other Scottish political parties greatly. These days they don't really try any more for any coverage unless they are talking nasty about the SNP, to the extent Twitter is now serious news. This in turn reinforces the message to Scots that Scottish politics begins and ends with the SNP.

This fact above is also hurting the press in Scotland. The twitter comment was out of context and was a sarcastic response to a twitter user who was talking about putting the Brain family on the first plane back to Oz. Conveniently airbrushed out of the story. But this is nothing unusual. and we've all learned to live with one sided reportage here. Most of us saw the whole Twitter conversation the single comment was taken from.

Scottish media today summed up :- And at the end of the day. I'm not really sure why people like yourself are interested in posting up endless tabloid fodder like twitter spats. They make no difference to the bigger issues at all.

Yes Kevin Hague is good at what he does. Imo he's far too narrow in scope and talks about GERS to the extent that he excludes everything else on his blog. GERS is simple accounting stats, not an economy nor running one. There is a VAST difference which is what Mr Hague also tends to airbrush out of his own discussions. His blog would be far more interesting if he focused on solutions to the problems he whines about rather than just his 'nope, can't do it' answer to every single question posed to him.

I'll stop bashing the url when I feel free enough myself to post up daily WingsoverScotland articles and when I get actual comment on the content rather than the blog name.

ps the Labour party was dominant in Scotland for 4 or 5 decades. I wouldn't be popping the champagne corks just yet waiting for that swing back either.

it's just staggering that scots buy this rubbish

one wonders why.