The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

The_Rainmaker

Probably all moot as far as Nicola is concerned.

Alex Salmond procedural hearing will supposedly take place tomorrow January 22, 2020.

Full hearing starts on 9th March.

And some short time after that Nicola resigns or faces charges.

Shakethedisease

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

Probably all moot as far as Nicola is concerned.

Alex Salmond procedural hearing will supposedly take place tomorrow January 22, 2020.

Full hearing starts on 9th March.

And some short time after that Nicola resigns or faces charges.

Really? Thanks for your crystal ball. Even if/when Nicola goes.. Joanna Cherry or someone similar to Joanna will take her place. And when I say similar I mean someone who isn't as cautious and gradual. The next leader will be totally gung ho independence.

This is moot though. Since there'll be a vote in Scotland very shortly. And no one in the indy camp will change their vote simply due to a change of SNP leader. It's wishful thinking. Sorry.

Herzlos

Nicola isn't the Independence movement, just the First Minister of a party championing it. Even if she retires in shame, it won't kill off the movement.



As we've said before, a vote for independence isn't a vote for the SNP - when we gain independence (whether it's in 2020, 2040, 2060, etc), the SNP will dissolve and we'll pick a new party that fits with our political stance. It's all about the right and ability to choose instead of being landed with whatever government England elects.

Malthusian

Herzlos wrote: »

As we've said before, a vote for independence isn't a vote for the SNP - when we gain independence (whether it's in 2020, 2040, 2060, etc), the SNP will dissolve and we'll pick a new party that fits with our political stance.

I doubt it. Why waste all that tribal loyalty and brand recognition? The ANC didn't dissolve when it achieved the end of apartheid in South Africa, quite the opposite. The SNP would have to pivot and find a place on the left-right axis but it wouldn't necessarily have to sail off into the sunset like UKIP post-Brexit.

If the SNP dissolves you need two new parties, not one, unless you expect a Japan-style one-party state. Scottish Tories and Scottish Labour will be tainted by suspicions of being crypto-Rejoin parties (openly Rejoin parties would be joke parties, like the rUK Lib Dems) so it would be very difficult for either of them to capture a majority in an independent Scotland.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Really? Thanks for your crystal ball. Even if/when Nicola goes.. Joanna Cherry or someone similar to Joanna will take her place. And when I say similar I mean someone who isn't as cautious and gradual. The next leader will be totally gung ho independence.

This is moot though. Since there'll be a vote in Scotland very shortly. And no one in the indy camp will change their vote simply due to a change of SNP leader. It's wishful thinking. Sorry.

No there won't.

10/10 for consistency though, since I started reading this thread you've "predicted" a good half dozen imminent "indyrefs"; none of which have occurred.

Some people might think you have your finger firmly miles away from the pulse.

The_Rainmaker

Alex Salmond airbrushed out of SNP online history

I guess with Nats guilty unless they decide otherwise.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

No there won't.

10/10 for consistency though, since I started reading this thread you've "predicted" a good half dozen imminent "indyrefs"; none of which have occurred.

Some people might think you have your finger firmly miles away from the pulse.

I haven't predicted any imminent indy refs. The timeline for holding one changed as the Brexit one did.


But if there isn't going to be another ref. Why is Mike Russell talking to the electoral commision ? How will Westminster stop them from holding one ? Sure, they can try and ignore the result.. but it sounds to me like they're definitely intent of honouring the mandate they were elected on last month. As they should of course. 55 mins ago.

Philip Sim BBC Mike Russell also says it's "the duty of the Scottish government to deliver" an independence referendum, given electoral mandate won by the SNP in December's general election. Asked about Boris Johnson's rejection of a s30 request for indyref2, Mike Russell says ScotGov is "keeping our options open" - Nicola Sturgeon will provide an update "shortly"

Asked about legal advice re indyref2, Mike Russell tells MSPs that ScotGov "has started discussions with the Electoral Commission and electoral management board" around drawing up necessary guidance for a referendum.

Looks like they really might be going for it.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I haven't predicted any imminent indy refs. The timeline for holding one changed as the Brexit one did.


But if there isn't going to be another ref. Why is Mike Russell talking to the electoral commision ? How will Westminster stop them from holding one ? Sure, they can try and ignore the result.. but it sounds to me like they're definitely intent of honouring the mandate they were elected on last month. As they should of course. 55 mins ago.

Looks like they really might be going for it.

Sounds like they're wasting their time then.

NO voters will ignore it, leaving the whole episode a waste of time and energy.

Day job. Anyone in the current SNP administartion ever thought about giving any kind of attention to that?

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

Sounds like they're wasting their time then.

NO voters will ignore it, leaving the whole episode a waste of time and energy.

Day job. Anyone in the current SNP administartion ever thought about giving any kind of attention to that?

If it's a legal referendum ( in Scotland ) and No voters ignore it the result still stands, legally. Abstaining is making sure the result is just about assured for a Yes win.


Westminster will try and ignore it, but it's not Westminster recognition the Scottish Govt is after, it's international. And little England I'm afraid will have very little pals left after 31st Jan. Wales and NI have also said no the Withdrawl Bill. Scotland has, for example, most of the fishing grounds. A Yes win regardless of whether Westminster recognises it or not, means Boris can't negotiate with the EU about those.

Herzlos

Malthusian wrote: »

I doubt it. Why waste all that tribal loyalty and brand recognition? The ANC didn't dissolve when it achieved the end of apartheid in South Africa, quite the opposite. The SNP would have to pivot and find a place on the left-right axis but it wouldn't necessarily have to sail off into the sunset like UKIP post-Brexit.

If the SNP dissolves you need two new parties, not one, unless you expect a Japan-style one-party state. Scottish Tories and Scottish Labour will be tainted by suspicions of being crypto-Rejoin parties (openly Rejoin parties would be joke parties, like the rUK Lib Dems) so it would be very difficult for either of them to capture a majority in an independent Scotland.

We're loyal to our country and not Sturgeons party.

I expect many parties will emerge across the spectrum, with equivalents for green, labour, tory, lib dem as well as a unionist party (that you think it'll be a joke party just highlights how little the union has to offer - wht would anyone vote to rejoin?)