O numbers on EE

d123

dialdfordave wrote: »

I believe mobilejunkie is talking about a T-Mobile contract from a few years ago where they did in fact include 08 numbers in the allowance and at one time it was possible to get as many as 3000 minutes.

Yes, I remember the T-Mobile contracts, I even vaguely recollect an early EE contract that allowed some 08 numbers in the allowance, but he is claiming to have a current or recent contract that allows all 084x and 087x, which I hadn't heard of.

Ian011

dialdfordave wrote: »

Are you trying to say that other customers are subsidising the cost of his calls to 08 numbers as they are paying the 45p access charge? There were contracts with inclusive 08 calls long before the access/service charge system was implemented.

Under the new system of call charges for 084 and 087 numbers, the amount of money paid to the benefit of the called party and their telecoms provider is about the same as it was under the old system.
http://web.archive.org/web/20150629155247/http://www.fairtelecoms.org.uk/uploads/1/1/4/5/11456053/sc_interesting_numbers_v4.pdf
The difference is that this payment is now separately declared as the Service Charge element of the call cost and is transparent.

At the same time, the part of the call cost retained by the caller's phone provider is no longer allowed to vary according to which 084, 087, 09 or 118 number was called. The Access Charge is a fixed amount for all such calls. It is also separately declared and transparent.

In the case of 084 and 087 calls that a provider treats as inclusive, the called party and their telecoms provider still receive up to 13p per minute from the caller's phone provider. If the caller isn't paying it, then everyone else on that network must be subsidising it from whatever they pay.

If a caller makes 300 minutes of calls to geographic numbers starting 01 and 02, non-geographic numbers starting 03 or mobile numbers starting 071-075 and 077-079, the caller's phone provider has to pay out total termination fees of up to 63p, £1.68 or £2.04 respectively. (The £2.04 figure will be £1.53 after 1 April 2016.) All of these figures are far less than the retail cost of the inclusive package they were a part of.

If a caller makes 300 minutes of calls to 084 and 087 numbers, their provider has to pay out up to £39 to the benefit of the called party and their telecoms provider. This is far more than the cost of the inclusive call plan, and the payout is subsidised by other callers in a totally non-transparent way.

mobilejunkie

Well, I expect that is the case - but not my problem.

I took out the contract in December 2013. I didn't realise that ALL 08 numbers were included until about 3 months later (not because I called one on it either - I never make calls I have to actually pay for). I then gave notice to cancel at the end of its 12 month minimum term but withdrew it when I had a brainwave about something else which was even more substantially in my favour - which I checked and then started a thread on here for others who had this particular deal. A lot didn't believe me so cancelled their contracts whilst I continued mine, with smiles. Some did believe me and I presume are still running theirs. However, for at least another year from when I realised that my contract included them so did most new contracts with EE.

When the new rules for 0800 numbers came in last years I had another issue to cautiously check. My bills have a statement which is ambigous about access charges for 08 numbers but mine bundle includes them still.

Sometimes it pays to think outside the box (which is why I cancelled my termination notice etc.). There must be others with different EE contracts which still include them - and many where the customers don't realise (perhaps they never did).

d123

mobilejunkie wrote: »

Well, I expect that is the case - but not my problem.

I took out the contract in December 2013.

That's why I said current and recent contracts, not 2013 contracts, you do realise we are in 2016 now? I don't know why you are trying to muddy the waters...

billsavings

If you want 084/087 calls included on EE they do a bolt on, on a monthly contract for £3 a month ( 300 inclusive minutes ) .

mobilejunkie

d123 wrote: »

That's why I said current and recent contracts, not 2013 contracts, you do realise we are in 2016 now? I don't know why you are trying to muddy the waters...

Maybe you don't undertsand the word "current". If it's still running it's current. Maybe you also didn't read what I wrote about contracts after that.

d123

mobilejunkie wrote: »

Maybe you don't undertsand the word "current". If it's still running it's current.

I don't think you understand the word, "current" means you can walk into an EE shop or go online and sign up to it now. Recent would be what was available just previous to what is current, so last years plans would be recent and the current ones would be, well, current...

How on earth do you think "current" means three years old?

I have a copy of a newspaper here, it's dated 13 November 2009, is it the current copy? Or would today's copy be the current one?

mobilejunkie wrote: »

Maybe you also didn't read what I wrote about contracts after that.

Why would you think I care about your opinion about your old contracts? It's just padding and got nothing to do with the current topic.

mobilejunkie

Maybe you should write a dictionary for your version of the meaning of words. You also must be pschic since you say it has nothing to do with the topic, since the OP could have a contract taken out at the same time as mine. But then you obviously prefer assumptions and semantics to the point in hand.

d123

mobilejunkie wrote: »

Maybe you should write a dictionary for your version of the meaning of words. You also must be pschic since you say it has nothing to do with the topic, since the OP could have a contract taken out at the same time as mine. But then you obviously prefer assumptions and semantics to the point in hand.

I've no idea what your current problem is as you are usually quite logical and intelligent in your posting manner so I'll put this down to you perhaps having a bad week.

It's just ridiculous and idiotic to try and justify something discontinued almost 3 years ago to be a current EE plan, but as you are stubbornly sticking to your strange idea it's a pointless argument.

Just to add, you claim I'm pschic (I presume you mean psychic?) when at no stage did I directly reference the OPs contract, I always said I was talking about current and recent contracts. You must be the [STRIKE]pschic[/STRIKE] psychic as the OP doesn't say they have an old 2013 contract anywhere in the OP.

I think I'll ignore your posts until such time as you appear rational again...

mobilejunkie

Yes, my typo. Ignore away; but since the OP's contract is unknown and most peiople didn't realise their contracts did include all 08 number I'll leave it up to them to establish that, since that's what they actually asked about.