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Using an umbrella company to avoid child support

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  • MataNui
    MataNui Posts: 1,075 Forumite
    You miss the point entirely. CSA CANNOT do anything about this. They have absolutely no rights under law to even ask to see the companies full accounts. CSA/CMS cannot help you here.

    Your best option is to look at what JBlessing said.

    If his company is legal then i am afraid you are stuffed. If you can persuade HMRC that it is not then you may stand a chance. For example the legislation JBlessing mentioned (IR35) is deal with 'disguised employment'. If you exes company has only one client and he works exclusively for them then HMRC would deem that it is not a client of the company but his employer and he would be liable to pay full tax and NICs based on that. Do you see where i am going with this???

    If he pays personal income tax on this full amount then CSA/CMS will assess him based on this. Its your best bet and from what you have said it sounds like you could have some success with this.
  • Poppie68
    Poppie68 Posts: 4,881 Forumite
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    Guest101 wrote: »
    Well that could be coming from me, or you, or anyone else.


    I was simply curious how much the OP contributed.



    As she has mentioned paying for school dinners she is in employment she may or not be receiving tax credits but is herself a tax payer. Her selfish ex is the problem... His living expenses will be greatly reduced as a pilot as airlines pay for hotels and expenses, he may even get his rent paid if he his based abroad.
    It comes down to a parent who doesn't care about their children's needs, thank god there not all like him.
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
    edited 8 February 2016 at 6:20PM
    Poppie68 wrote: »
    As she has mentioned paying for school dinners she is in employment she may or not be receiving tax credits but is herself a tax payer. Her selfish ex is the problem... His living expenses will be greatly reduced as a pilot as airlines pay for hotels and expenses, he may even get his rent paid if he his based abroad.
    It comes down to a parent who doesn't care about their children's needs, thank god there not all like him.



    I agree, I still think the question is important in the grand scheme.


    The OP could be NMW or earning a cool £mil, obviously none of that excuses the ex from paying
  • DUTR
    DUTR Posts: 12,958 Forumite
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    Poppie68 wrote: »
    As she has mentioned paying for school dinners she is in employment she may or not be receiving tax credits but is herself a tax payer. Her selfish ex is the problem... His living expenses will be greatly reduced as a pilot as airlines pay for hotels and expenses, he may even get his rent paid if he his based abroad.
    It comes down to a parent who doesn't care about their children's needs, thank god there not all like him.

    I think some of the responses are coming from emotion rather than logic, it's all good and well bragging the NRP is a pilot, the headline salary is good, but it's not all rosie. On top of would you want to be a passenger in a plane of an overly stressed pilot?
    As you know the contribution is based upon assesable income, not everyone working is motivated by money and that is not the only reason they work especially if they are career based.

    I suspect that the NRP in this case has the company set up more so to gain /keep employment rather than to reduce CS contributions.
  • Guest101 wrote: »
    I have a question: how much do you contribute to the household?

    It may be a relevant question in some cases but the OP in this case has to provide a home, food and all the daily needs for two children. I don't think anyone could suggest that £50 per month per child represents a fair amount of support from a parent who appears to have a job which is capable of generating a good income.

    Kimberley, have you tried to get help with this from NACSA. They make a charge for their services but it's obviously a complicated case, and they could look at all the documents and tell you if an application for a variation would be appropriate. They could help you to deal with the variation process too if necessary.
  • Guest101
    Guest101 Posts: 15,764 Forumite
    justontime wrote: »
    It may be a relevant question in some cases but the OP in this case has to provide a home, food and all the daily needs for two children. I don't think anyone could suggest that £50 per month per child represents a fair amount of support from a parent who appears to have a job which is capable of generating a good income.

    Kimberley, have you tried to get help with this from NACSA. They make a charge for their services but it's obviously a complicated case, and they could look at all the documents and tell you if an application for a variation would be appropriate. They could help you to deal with the variation process too if necessary.



    No, but depending on how you calculate amounts, often child support is not seen as 'fair' in both directions.
  • I have done this also under IR35
  • I do not claim any SSA benefits if that is your enquirer. I have never been on job seekers either, thank you.
  • I have emails from the Children's father laughing at me as he says he pays what he's told by CSA/CSM. It's purely to avoid child maintenance and the correct amount of tax.
  • DUTR
    DUTR Posts: 12,958 Forumite
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    Kimberlay wrote: »
    I do not claim any SSA benefits if that is your enquirer. I have never been on job seekers either, thank you.

    What is it that you do, how much do you earn?
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