Rangemaster cooker - which variant?

Cooker_expert

ryder72 wrote: »

As others have said, dont expect to get anything decent range cookers for below £3-4k.

I see your reasons for the cooker but my suggestion would be to consider Leisure which looks very similar to Rangemaster, only cheaper and similar on performance.

When as clueless as yourself its maybe not good to give advice on such things you clearly know nothing about.

Leisure (Beko) cookers are of nowhere near the standard of a rangemaster, poor quality components with a higher than average failure rate, poor cooking performances and low customer satisfaction, not even close to a rangemaster.

Katychaos

Take a look at Falcon range cookers. Great build and a number of variants re fuel. We've had one (gas job/electric ovens) for eight years and it is brilliant. Five burners, two main ovens, a slow oven and a grill. Not cheap but this is a long term investment and well worth the money. Falcons are Used in professional kitchens. If you plan on doing lots of cooking/have a large family/enjoy cooking then this could be an option for you.

Cooker_expert

I am an Ex Rangemaster engineer and have worked on thousands throughout my time along with a high variety of other brands, I can tell you that customers are not only very pleased with their appliances but wont consider other brands for future purchases.

In the 20 years I have been working on their stuff only a handful of people I have come across have been unsatisfied with their appliance and most actually rave about the cooking performance, something which I have not found with some of the so called "better" and "more expensive" ranges (LaCanche/Brittania etc) I've taken out LaCanches for customers and replaced with both Rangemasters and Falcons in the past and when I've followed up a few weeks later the customers have always commented about how much happier they are.

Unfortunately with the kitchen people commenting on here they dont get to hear about the appliances years down the line the same as myself or get a feel for faults/poor components or poor design.

I am in touch with several cooker specialists around the country and to a man we all feel that pound for pound nothing can touch Rangemaster in the Range cooker market.

Cooker_expert

Katychaos wrote: »

Take a look at Falcon range cookers. Great build and a number of variants re fuel. We've had one (gas job/electric ovens) for eight years and it is brilliant. Five burners, two main ovens, a slow oven and a grill. Not cheap but this is a long term investment and well worth the money. Falcons are Used in professional kitchens. If you plan on doing lots of cooking/have a large family/enjoy cooking then this could be an option for you.

Falcons are made by Rangemaster and are indeed great cookers, they arent anything to do with the proffesional ones anymore though.

I rate Falcons so high that it will be what I get for my own kitchen.

CKdesigner

Cooker_expert wrote: »

I am an Ex Rangemaster engineer and have worked on thousands throughout my time along with a high variety of other brands, I can tell you that customers are not only very pleased with their appliances but wont consider other brands for future purchases.

In the 20 years I have been working on their stuff only a handful of people I have come across have been unsatisfied with their appliance and most actually rave about the cooking performance, something which I have not found with some of the so called "better" and "more expensive" ranges (LaCanche/Brittania etc) I've taken out LaCanches for customers and replaced with both Rangemasters and Falcons in the past and when I've followed up a few weeks later the customers have always commented about how much happier they are.

Unfortunately with the kitchen people commenting on here they dont get to hear about the appliances years down the line the same as myself or get a feel for faults/poor components or poor design.

I am in touch with several cooker specialists around the country and to a man we all feel that pound for pound nothing can touch Rangemaster in the Range cooker market.

Sorry Cooker expert

Are you serious? I really don't mean to be rude but Rangemaster good - come on, that's just plain mad!

Have you got your brands confused?

A Rangemaster is basically 2 very ordinary cookers with a value of around £300 each (and I'm being generous here) bolted together, more decorative plastic brass effect knobs and rails fitted and powder coat spray colours. Then hey presto a range cooker that's £1,500 is created, with absolutely no regard to how it cooks or safety!

Frankly they are total rubbish and every customer that comes into our showroom, without exception, that has had one has been bitterly disappointed and can't wait to get rid of it!

CK

Cooker_expert

CKdesigner wrote: »

Sorry Cooker expert

Are you serious? I really don't mean to be rude but Rangemaster good - come on, that's just plain mad!

Have you got your brands confused?

A Rangemaster is basically 2 very ordinary cookers with a value of around £300 each (and I'm being generous here) bolted together, more decorative plastic brass effect knobs and rails fitted and powder coat spray colours. Then hey presto a range cooker that's £1,500 is created, with absolutely no regard to how it cooks or safety!

Frankly they are total rubbish and every customer that comes into our showroom, without exception, that has had one has been bitterly disappointed and can't wait to get rid of it!

CK

Like I said, Kitchen people are clueless, 2x 300 pounds cookers maybe beko, but not Rangemaster, I'm sorry but I have infinitely more experience of this market and customer satisfaction than yourself 27 years of only specialising in cookers gives me the right to say you are wrong.

CKdesigner

Clueless - let's see.

I have worked in the kitchen industry for the same length of time you have been a cooker service man, but I have had to cover a lot more of the industry than just service work.

I used to work for a John Lewis store in the large electrical / fitted kitchen department, this meant I had quite a knowledge of the service requirements for all products. Many years ago I had a Grandmother come in to report that her Granddaughter had to be rushed to hospital after touching the glass on the Grandmother's Rangemaster door. Rangemaster's response was that the door is within UK requirements, so they didn't care. Sure UK requirements are rubbish as they allow any surface on a cooker to get to 85 degrees I believe it is above ambient temperature, so if the room is 25 degrees then the door can get to 110 degrees and still be legal. Anywhere near these temperatures and you leave lots of skin behind if you were to touch it! I vowed from that moment I would never sell another Rangemaster cooker, and to this day their oven doors are still made exactly the same so potentially just as dangerous.

If you need further proof that Rangemaster cookers are seriously dangerous, then get the ovens hot (which takes ages by the way) then open the hinged doors fully (which is 90 degrees ) then reach inside and see how close your arm is to the inside surface of the door. All it would take is a small knock from the outside then you have serious arm burns.

These cookers have been designed only for looks and with NO regard to safety or cook ability! If you think anything different then you are simply deluded!

CK

Cooker_expert

I simply can't believe what I'm reading here 😄 to be frank I could see from the start that you had some sort of petty grudge against rangemaster and now it's confirmed, the reason I knew this is that none of your comments tally with someone who actually knows their products and this last comment is no different.

The highest temperature I have ever recorded on a rangemaster outer door is 52c which is an absolute mile off of failing, and actually rangemaster generally have a lower outer door temperature than other non fan cooled doors, the only reason I have to do the test is to prove it's not the cookers fault that a cheap vinyl wrap kitchen door has failed.

Your reasoning behind someone burning their arm is quite frankly laughable, of course someone can get burned if they have their arm in the oven and someone pushes the door to... just the same as any other side opening oven door from any manufacturer... and also the same as if someone pushes the door upwards on a drop down door.... both though would be unlikely scenarios.

ryder72

Cooker Expert - No one here so far has been rude to you so there was no reason for your to be rude and derogatory. But since you have decided to play the game that way, here goes-

You call yourself a service engineer? I am an engineer and I went to university for 4 years to get the degree. A 2 week course to repair a product doesnt make one an engineer, even if Rangemaster wants you call you an engineer. You are a technician. Accept it and then lets get onto the next point.

You must have had to move a 90cm cooker. How much does it weight 60-70 kilos? Now try moving 2 Neff ovens and a gas hob and lets see what it weighs (around 35-40kg per oven and 8-10kg for the hob). This is without any frame, legs etc on the quality stuff. How does one make something so large so light without using exotic materials. Thats right, cheap materials, minimal insulation to just get past regulation with little regard for safety and quality.

Open and close a door on the ovens and it feels filmsy. And that it because it is filmsy. Because filmsy because its cheaply made.

Operate an oven on full heat and see how hot the side of the body gets. Does that seem acceptable? Imagine a child walking up to it and touching it?

Lift the pan stands and griddle. Does it feel like a solid product or a cheap throwaway BBQ grate?

Operate the knobs and switches. Do they feel like they were designed by anyone that takes pride in their work?

Look at shut gaps on doors. Does it not look like an indifferently made 60/70's British car just before the industry went into a tailspin and burnt out.

Stop deluding yourself by calling a Rangemaster a quality product. Its a cheaply made product designed to look like an Aga for very little money.

Take on board another point. In the manufacturing world, typically markup from raw material cost to retail price exc VAT is a minimum figure of around 10 for a highly competitive industry. A £1800 Rangemaster cooker is £1500 ex VAT. So its fair to work on the basis that its around £150 worth of parts. Do you really think you can buy anything of decent quality of that size for such little money?

cddc

Cooker Wars!

To put my head above the parapet, I would say that Rangemaster are better than Leisure by some way. If you apply your times ten mark up to Leisure Ryder, then the component cost is about £90 and it shows.....

But I do agree that for the same money as a Rangemaster would get far better performance from integrated seperates.

Would also say from my limited exposure to Lanache, from what I have heard, that they cook well, but are unreliable and parts are crazy prices.

Carry on the war!