UK Labour Market Stats

antrobus

danothy wrote: »

...If you can't figure that out then you must be on a zero hour contract. Fact.

So you think that everyone on a zero hour contract is stupid? That's not very nice. What have you got against the poor?

Personally I'd bet that the typical ZHC employee is a lot smarter than you are, and probably knows the difference between a part-time ZH contract and a part-time guaranteed hours contract.:)

ukcarper

danothy wrote: »

I don't think I know anyone who would say that.

Not much different to saying all part time jobs are zero hours contract.

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

So you think that everyone on a zero hour contract is stupid? That's not very nice. What have you got against the poor?

Personally I'd bet that the typical ZHC employee is a lot smarter than you are, and probably knows the difference between a part-time ZH contract and a part-time guaranteed hours contract.:)

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lmac/contracts-with-no-guaranteed-hours/employee-contracts-that-do-not-guarantee-a-minimum-number-of-hours--2015-update-/employee-contracts-that-do-not-guarantee-a-minimum-number-of-hours--2015-update.html

ONS produces biannual estimates of the number of contracts that do not guarantee a minimum number of hours, based on a survey of businesses. The measure complements the figures from the Labour Force Survey (LFS) which show the number of people who report that they are on a “zero-hours contract” in their main employment. This report contains the latest figures from the LFS as well as new estimates from the third time we have surveyed businesses.

The latest estimate of the number of people who are employed on “zero-hours contracts” in their main employment, from the LFS, which is a survey of individuals in households, is 744,000 for April to June 2015, representing 2.4% of people in employment. It should be noted that responses to the LFS can be affected by respondents recognising the term “zero-hours contract”. This latest figure is higher than that for April to June 2014 (624,000 or 2.0% of people in employment), but it is not possible to say how much of this increase is due to greater recognition of the term “zero-hours contracts” rather than new contracts.

Looking at the data section, those on zero hours contracts are highly likely to be young. Of the 744,000 on zero hours contracts, 255,000 are aged 16-24 and they are overwhelmingly likely to be employed in catering and be unskilled. A little over a fifth of people on zero hours contracts are in full time education and a fifth were born overseas (there is probably some overlap between the groups, it's impossible to say from the data).

It is worth noting that such a small proportion of workers aged over 24 are on zero hours contracts, the numbers are considered to be unreliable for practical purposes.

As the ONS states, the number on zero hours contracts is reported to be increasing but that may well be because people are now aware of the term. Much of the time I was in catering as a young man I was on a zero hours contract but didn't know to call it that.

Thrugelmir

Generali wrote: »

The fact is that a British worker can produce more than a Chinese worker on average in an hour.

The Chinese lives on site in a dormitory. Does 12 hour days and is paid a tenth of the salary.

Under 10 years service is 16 days annual leave a year. Compared to a minimum of 28 in the UK.

My basic entitlement including bank holidays is now 40.5 days a year. Hardly surprising that jobs are being cut and outsourced.

Generali

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The Chinese lives on site in a dormitory. Does 12 hour days and is paid a tenth of the salary.

Under 10 years service is 16 days annual leave a year. Compared to a minimum of 28 in the UK.

My basic entitlement including bank holidays is now 40.5 days a year. Hardly surprising that jobs are being cut and outsourced.

Jobs aren't being cut though. Unemployment is at 5.1% and falling and employment is at a record high both as a proportion of population and as an absolute number.

mwpt

Generali wrote: »

Looking at the data section, those on zero hours contracts are highly likely to be young. Of the 744,000 on zero hours contracts, 255,000 are aged 16-24 and they are overwhelmingly likely to be employed in catering and be unskilled. A little over a fifth of people on zero hours contracts are in full time education and a fifth were born overseas (there is probably some overlap between the groups, it's impossible to say from the data).

I spent a year in London in the late 90s before moving on to Germany for work. In those days London was an extremely popular place for young people from all over to come and work for a few years. Spanish, Italians, French, South Africans, Zimbabweans, New Zealanders, Australians, Germans, Dutch, Portuguese, Canadian, US, etc. The bars around Earls Court and other London areas were basically international hangouts. Many did part time work such as catering, packing, whatever, for which they'd get phoned on the day, while topping up their funds for the next trip. I can't remember anyone thinking they were getting a bad deal.

danothy

ukcarper wrote: »

Not much different to saying all part time jobs are zero hours contract.

The words are significantly different.

antrobus wrote: »

So you think that everyone on a zero hour contract is stupid?

Nope.

antrobus wrote: »

That's not very nice. What have you got against the poor?

It really isn't nice. That's one of the reasons I didn't say it. I have nothing against the poor. I am poor.

antrobus wrote: »

Personally I'd bet that the typical ZHC employee is a lot smarter than you are

That's not very nice. What have you got against the poor?

antrobus wrote: »

and probably knows the difference between a part-time ZH contract and a part-time guaranteed hours contract.:)

If that is the measure of smartness, knowing the difference, then I suspect that you would lose your bet that they are a lot smarter than me, and not because they don't know the difference.

Graham_Devon

danothy wrote: »

If you can't figure that out then you must be on a zero hour contract. Fact.

Well I'm enjoying it if that's any consolation. I'll even lend you my spoon.

danothy

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Well I'm enjoying it if that's any consolation. I'll even lend you my spoon.

Please put me on your ignore list. My posts aren't intended for your enjoyment.

Graham_Devon

danothy wrote: »

Please put me on your ignore list. My posts aren't intended for your enjoyment.

Sorry, you aint that special