Can we use disabled parking for removal van?

specialboy

theartfullodger wrote: »

I wouldn't do business with a company or individual happy to incorrectly park in a disabled bay .. (yes, even if that costs me time, money & inconvenience...)

Good old British traditions of decency & fair-play ??

But it sounds like the bay's were for the previous occupants of the property, no longer there so no longer needed.

sniggings

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

If you think blue badges are being abused then report them, but blue badge holders can legally park on double yellows.

This post smacks to be honest of "they don't seem disabled to me so they must not be".

If people who spout that nonsense to me think they can diagnose people by looking at them then i helpfully suggest they offer their services to the nhs free of charge. I mean why do we "waste" millions training doctors to diagnose when there are reems of nosey folk in car parks up and down the country who can "tell" who is and isn't disabled from a quick glance. :rotfl:

I'm going by experience of people I know, I even worked with a guy who had one, yet could work 8 hours a day, he would laugh and joke about it and admitted he didn't need it, in my experience they are far to easy to get, that is why people such as the OP ask these types of questions as they do not trust the badges are given out for a good reason.

Of course some people use them correctly, I'm not talking about those, it's the rest that give the others a bad name.

Lummoxley

sniggings wrote: »

Of course some people use them correctly, I'm not talking about those, it's the rest that give the others a bad name.

I get where you're coming from, sometimes I see someone seemingly able-bodied using a specified parking bay and question their morals.

Then I mentally kick myself, all the "free" stuff in life is abused by a minority. Be it badges, benefits or tax loopholes.

Most people with blue badges hold them legitimately.

wwl

G_M wrote: »

If the driver (or a passanger) of the removal van is disabled, you can use the disabled parking.

If the issue is that it costs £140 to get bays suspended, then maybe you could find a local legitimate holder of a disabled badge to take a ride in the van to your place for rather less than that.:)

System

Didyousaysomething wrote: »

Thanks to all! Seem to have started some intense discussions there ..:)

Marksoton, the borough is Lambeth. I will also take a look and see if I can find info about their fines. But if it is true that informal disabled bays in a non-controlled zone constitute non-controlled bays then we shouldn't have a problem. As it is only for half a day and they sit empty all day apart from the half hour when parents use it to pick up their kids, I don't feel too much moral compunction...

http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/parking-transport-and-streets/parking/where-you-can-load-and-unload-your-vehicle-guide

So for all taking the moral high ground and getting strangled by their halos. Lambeth council say you can use a disabled bay to load and unload for 20 minutes. Of course this only applies where there is signage and ergo, a TRO applies.
If no signage then the sky's the limit.

We still haven't been told what type of disbaled bay this is. Finding this out would make answering the question a lot easier.

Do the bays have any signage?

SingleSue

sniggings wrote: »

I'm going by experience of people I know, I even worked with a guy who had one, yet could work 8 hours a day, he would laugh and joke about it and admitted he didn't need it, in my experience they are far to easy to get, that is why people such as the OP ask these types of questions as they do not trust the badges are given out for a good reason.

Of course some people use them correctly, I'm not talking about those, it's the rest that give the others a bad name.

My dad used to work longer hours than that and held a blue badge, mind you, his work had adapted his office, made sure he was on the ground floor and had parking close by and when they moved office and couldn't accomodate his department on the ground floor, installed a lift!

Dad had an accident at work in 72 which meant he had to walk with aids and after a complete change of career (he had been in construction, he went into office work), continued in work.

Being able to work whilst holding a blue badge is not impossible, in fact, it is very possible.

Didyousaysomething

So for all taking the moral high ground and getting strangled by their halos. Lambeth council say you can use a disabled bay to load and unload for 20 minutes. Of course this only applies where there is signage and ergo, a TRO applies.
If no signage then the sky's the limit.

We still haven't been told what type of disbaled bay this is. Finding this out would make answering the question a lot easier.

Do the bays have any signage?

Sorry I forgot to add that earlier - there is "disabled badge holders only" sign. Though I have also found a document from Lambeth council stating the following:
34 DISABLED BAYS
34.1 A vehicle correctly displaying a Disabled Blue Badge or Lambeth White
Badge (see DISABLED DRIVERS/PASSENGERS) may park without time
limit in that bay (unless that bay has been suspended)
34.2 It is permissable for a vehicle not displaying EITHER or blue or white badge:
 To Load or Unload, Deliver or Collect Goods at adjacent premises for
a maximum of 20 minutes (see DELIVERY / COLLECTION LOADING
/ UNLOADING GOODS for detailed rules) unless that bay is
SUSPENDED.
 to allow passengers to board or alight
 Whilst Postal Packets are being Collected / Delivered.
 If that vehicle is involved with removals to or from and adjacent house
of office
 If it is engaged in maintenance works of a type set out in the relevant
Traffic Management Order
 If it s being used for Police Fire or Ambulance Purposes
 If it is not a passenger vehicle and is engaged in the execution of
statutory powers and duties (AND it is necessary to park there)
 For as long as necessary if it is being used in connection with the
removal of any obstruction to traffic.

So, bearing all the moral reasoning in mind (I had thought it goes without saying that we would be very uncomfortable about using the bays and wouldn't do so unless we had no choice, i.e. there literally isn't anywhere else for streets around for the removal van to park) it looks like this might be the solution?!

Thanks again to all.

theartfullodger

Wow! Very interesting didyousaysomething: Things you learn from MSe eh??

TBagpuss

Didyousaysomething wrote: »

Sorry I forgot to add that earlier - there is "disabled badge holders only" sign. Though I have also found a document from Lambeth council stating the following:
34 DISABLED BAYS
34.1 A vehicle correctly displaying a Disabled Blue Badge or Lambeth White
Badge (see DISABLED DRIVERS/PASSENGERS) may park without time
limit in that bay (unless that bay has been suspended)
34.2 It is permissable for a vehicle not displaying EITHER or blue or white badge:
 To Load or Unload, Deliver or Collect Goods at adjacent premises for
a maximum of 20 minutes (see DELIVERY / COLLECTION LOADING
/ UNLOADING GOODS for detailed rules) unless that bay is
SUSPENDED.
 to allow passengers to board or alight
 Whilst Postal Packets are being Collected / Delivered.
 If that vehicle is involved with removals to or from and adjacent house
of office
 If it is engaged in maintenance works of a type set out in the relevant
Traffic Management Order
 If it s being used for Police Fire or Ambulance Purposes
 If it is not a passenger vehicle and is engaged in the execution of
statutory powers and duties (AND it is necessary to park there)
 For as long as necessary if it is being used in connection with the
removal of any obstruction to traffic.

So, bearing all the moral reasoning in mind (I had thought it goes without saying that we would be very uncomfortable about using the bays and wouldn't do so unless we had no choice, i.e. there literally isn't anywhere else for streets around for the removal van to park) it looks like this might be the solution?!

Thanks again to all.

Very interesting. It may be worth your while to print that off from the council website and have to to hand on moving day just in case -

System

Didyousaysomething wrote: »

Sorry I forgot to add that earlier - there is "disabled badge holders only" sign. .

So it is a formal bay with a TRO. In which case parking for blue badge holders only can be enforced except for the twenty mins that the council allow for loading/unloading and other allowances that they make as detailed on their web site