If we vote for Brexit what happens

buglawton

Case in point Hamish: someone I know recently packed in their (well paid) job because a 5 hour rountrip to work was not acceptable, nor were the 80% higher house prices and SDLT involved in moving the family to a more commutable location.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

buglawton wrote: »

Case in point Hamish: someone I know recently packed in their (well paid) job because a 5 hour rountrip to work was not acceptable, nor were the 80% higher house prices and SDLT involved in moving the family to a more commutable location.

Which is a lovely story and all but not of much relevance to the point at hand.

If you think society should pay people to remain unemployed indefinitely in areas with little work when there are other areas with too many jobs and not enough people to fill them then you're in a minority I suspect.

mrginge

We could of course look at the alternative option of moving the available jobs to the areas where there is available labour.

LHW99

We could of course look at the alternative option of moving the available jobs to the areas where there is available labour.

For small companies that could be OK - but then small companies tend to have a more stable workforce and recruit fewer people.
For a large company, moving takes much planning, and moving to a location with many unskilled people could then mean that their higher skilled people decide not to stay with the company. These tend to be more easily employable, and not afraid of moving around the country (or even abroad). For most companies they prefer to keep their skilled people, and employ whoever they can get who sufficiently needs a job for the unskilled roles.

kabayiri

gfplux wrote: »

This particular debate and the position people take is very much influenced by where the poster lives. Not declaring where a poster lives undermines the opinion expressed.
I agree and have posted elsewhere that successive British Governments have not addressed issues that were important to people living outside the South East of England.

I am happy to accept Cell's point that money does get spent across the country, but there is a real issue with perception.

So what do we have now? Loads of ex-Uni mates who reside down in London / SE complaining how the unwashed masses up North have ruined the future. Or...we have the march for Europe, in London.

Like that's going to heal divisions.

I maintained before the referendum just how important locality and regional issues were to people.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I don't think all people in poorer parts of the UK should move.

I do however think there's something completely insane about society paying some people to stay indefinitely in areas they can't find work when there's plenty of work available in other areas.

That we have a system which enables people to choose not to work often for years on end, and even where there is plenty of work available just a couple of hours away in many of those cases, is frankly little short of barking mad.

Of course the system is nonsense. It's also the result of decades of poor government policy, some of which is little more than bribery of the lowest income classes.

To make a difference though, what you are suggesting is the relocation of tens of thousands of people every year, if not more.

The government with all it's resources can't even relocate 4,000 syrian refugees per annum.

A bit of a reality check methinks.

BobQ

CLAPTON wrote: »

The point is you are either ignorant or a total hypocrite.

Your entire life, income, housing, job etc is predicated on other peoples job losses.
If argiculatural labourers hadn't lost their jobs, you would be a day labourer

the job losses you think are sad, pay for the NHS, for warm clothes for the people, for clean water , for gas and electricity, provide abundant foods and drink, flat screen TV, mobile phones, internet


Given the choice and the power : would you have prevented all job losses?

Clapton , I have been insulted by experts and you do even come close. It merely demonstrates you lack manners.

I take it you live in a cave or worse still an academic ivory tower?

In the beginning we had no jobs so why start with the agricultural labourer (was that the limit of your education?)?

It does not matter what I would do if I had the power, nature has contrived a situation in which people of unequal talents do lose their jobs and compete for others.

Instead of asking stupid questions why not tell us what you would do?

gfplux

Some additional reading from outside the UK.
Nice and low key.
"Slowly slowly cachee Monkey"

http://www.wort.lu/en/business/british-chamber-of-commerce-brexit-and-luxembourg-s-financial-sector-57e5487aac730ff4e7f66d82

BobQ

Conrad wrote: »

Just to say, as I said just after the referendum, I would be happy with a cap on EU migration, something like 10,000 pa (I suspect it will be more).


I am expecting that if this forms part of the deal, the Bremoaners will claim Brexiteers will reject this, but I think Mrs May will feel this is a compromise she can get away with, that most people will accept.

Why a cap? Is that a political cap? Would it not be better to limit it to earning enough to be self-financing (not entitled to any benefits for 5 years) and no criminal convictions?

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Clapton , I have been insulted by experts and you do even come close. It merely demonstrates you lack manners.

I take it you live in a cave or worse still an academic ivory tower?

In the beginning we had no jobs so why start with the agricultural labourer (was that the limit of your education?)?

It does not matter what I would do if I had the power, nature has contrived a situation in which people of unequal talents do lose their job.

Instead of asking stupid questions why not tell us what you would do?

naturally, in general I celebrate job losses as these jobs are replaced by better ones that mean we are all better off.
it is the mechanism we have standard of living we currently enjoy.