Paying for children at university

pigpen

silvercar wrote: »

Generally, the students with the poorest backgrounds do OK, due to extra grants and bursaries from the universities. The students from the richest backgrounds do OK because the bank of Mum/ Dad can afford to be generous. The ones in the middle have the hardest time.

that could in part be put down to the entitlement aspect too.. lower income families are lucky to have the opportunity, higher income it is just expected and the norm in their social groups.. these are in my experience (as a student and as a neighbour) the most obnoxious and badly behaved because they don't appreciate the opportunity and have cash to waste.. middle ranges tend to just plod through but many do at least crack on and do ok in the end.


Obviously that is a sweeping generalisation but I have lived in the midst of students for 27 years

Jagraf

Whereas I would do anything I could to help my children with anything, university is a luxury. As is a car, a house, etc. it is every bit as respectful not to go to uni (as my niece is at pains to point out to the other nieces who did decide to go to uni).

I went to uni late in life and I understand how important education is - but that's any education, not just uni.

Uni is a great experience, but its a choice, not a right. I find it incredible how many students and their parents think they should just walk into highly paid jobs afterwards as well, as if they know more than someone who has been at a company since 16/18. :cool:

You cut your cloth to fit. That's a really good educational lesson.

FBaby

Uni is a great experience, but its a choice, not a right. I find it incredible how many students and their parents think they should just walk into highly paid jobs afterwards as well, as if they know more than someone who has been at a company since 16/18.

I think it's more of a generation thing than the type of education received though. There is a perfect example of it at the moment on the employment forum of someone who has done an internship for the last 3 years and think he is worth a lot more than £15K. He is not taking being challenged well.

Homeownertobe

pigpen wrote: »

if they cannot afford to be there then they don't go. It isn't compulsory, hence the cost.



No, they should take into account the cost of living based on the money they would likely have available.. if they cannot manage the expensive living expenses they go somewhere they can afford, or don't go at all.

I'm the parent not the bank.. I'm not going to be bailing them out throughout life so they get used to budgeting pretty quick... I don't have enough money to feed the children at home I sure as heck wouldn't fund one that had moved out so they could drink and do whatever other aspects of student life in which they chose to indulge.. they soon learn there isn't a money tree.

Thankfully most parents want their children to succeed and don't follow your rather draconian lead.

Homeownertobe

missbiggles1 wrote: »

I hope you haven't passed your contempt for higher learning on to your own children or you might find that history repeats itself.

I struggle to comprehend such a violent hatred of people becoming educated. Smacks very much of those who think people should 'know their station' in life. Sad for the children, really, having to overcome such attitudes in the place that should inspire them the most.:(

Homeownertobe

FBaby wrote: »

I think it's more of a generation thing than the type of education received though. There is a perfect example of it at the moment on the employment forum of someone who has done an internship for the last 3 years and think he is worth a lot more than £15K. He is not taking being challenged well.

Are you talking about the poster who has done an apprenticeship for three years? That's quite a different thing to an internship.

mumps

Jagraf wrote: »

Whereas I would do anything I could to help my children with anything, university is a luxury. As is a car, a house, etc. it is every bit as respectful not to go to uni (as my niece is at pains to point out to the other nieces who did decide to go to uni).

I went to uni late in life and I understand how important education is - but that's any education, not just uni.

Uni is a great experience, but its a choice, not a right. I find it incredible how many students and their parents think they should just walk into highly paid jobs afterwards as well, as if they know more than someone who has been at a company since 16/18. :cool:

You cut your cloth to fit. That's a really good educational lesson.

The problem is that for some jobs you have no choice. Yes your niece can study to be an accountant without going to uni, one of mine is a nurse and had to go to uni and get a degree. No other way to do it. This goes for other jobs as well, lots I can think of are medical but I am sure there are others.

Jagraf

Why are people equating education / learning / success / opportunity to just university? That really isn't the case. It's a very nartiw approach.

missbiggles1

mumps wrote: »

The problem is that for some jobs you have no choice. Yes your niece can study to be an accountant without going to uni, one of mine is a nurse and had to go to uni and get a degree. No other way to do it. This goes for other jobs as well, lots I can think of are medical but I am sure there are others.

Unfortunately, as educational standards have plummeted, more and more jobs have become graduate entry in order to recruit applicants of a similar standard to what would once have been expected from those with A levels.

FBaby

Homeownertobe wrote: »

Are you talking about the poster who has done an apprenticeship for three years? That's quite a different thing to an internship.

Sorry yes, I meant apprenticeship.