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Especially considering the XM didn't have the on-off brake valve of the DS/SM/GS/CX/BX...
Far more likely, with an XM, would be failing to find the parking brake.
Is that also true if you had just started it and drove it without letting the suspension raise?
Like you would do in a normal car.
That is what I recall, have not driven an XM since.
Though I can't even remember where the park brake was.
Foot operated?
Are you sure you aren't thinking about the Phase 2 XM?
With the Phase 1 having the same on/off brakes of the CX, with the Phase 2 having some mods to make them less direct.0 -
Is that also true if you had just started it and drove it without letting the suspension raise?
Like you would do in a normal car.
That is what I recall, have not driven an XM since.
Though I can't even remember where the park brake was.
Foot operated?
A normal car wouldn't need the suspension to rise though would it?
I guess you'd also drive something with air brakes before you allowed the pressure to build up? Like you would in an ambulance?0 -
A quick check on Wikipedia AdrianC shows that indeed the Phase 1's did sink and have an on/off brake pedal.
"As a direct consequence of their high pressure hydraulics, early XM brake pedals had very little, if any, travel. Phase 2 XMs had some sponginess deliberately built into the braking system (by inserting a sleeved spring into the pedal linkage) to make their brakes feel more like those on other cars.
The Phase 2 "Hydractive 2" cars no longer "settled" down to the bottom of their suspension travel after having been parked for a while; this feature was termed "Anti-Sink" by Citroën. Such systems have even more complex hydraulics than 'Sinkers' because of the use of isolating valves and an extra sphere near the rear 'axle'. The hydraulic systems were also a lot quieter when maneuvering; this was due to the changes the "Anti-Sink" system brought. Early cars, 'sinkers', had a single output hydraulic pump which had its output divided into separate circuits, one for the power steering and one for the suspension/brake circuits (power steering needs a large flow rate whereas the suspension/brakes doesn't). The device which does this job is called a FDV (Flow Diverter Value), and this device hisses noticeably when the car is standing still or maneuvering. A slight pull on the steering wheel or a blip of the throttle will stop the hiss for a few seconds or so. Later "Anti-Sink" cars have a dual output pump, referred to as a 6+2 pump due to the number of internal piston chambers. Such cars therefore have no need of the "FDV" and therefore do not hiss."
Wikipedia, differences between Phase 1 and Phase 2 XM's0 -
Early s1 XMs sank - over the course of many hours, especially if it was a near-new car - and, yes, it's always a good idea to have hydraulic pressure for brakes and steering and suspension before driving away. You know when it's ready to go, because the sodding great big red light that says "STOP" goes out... IIRC, very few RHD XMs had un-sprung brake doseurs, though, if any.
Yes, foot park brake, with the release in the dash.0 -
Early s1 XMs sank - over the course of many hours, especially if it was a near-new car - and, yes, it's always a good idea to have hydraulic pressure for brakes and steering and suspension before driving away. You know when it's ready to go, because the sodding great big red light that says "STOP" goes out... IIRC, very few RHD XMs had un-sprung brake doseurs, though, if any.
Yes, foot park brake, with the release in the dash.
Are we in agreement on the point that early XMs did indeed have the switch like brakes of the CX etc?
Without the spacer fitted to S2 models to make the brakes less on/off.
The one I moved, saying drove would be an exaggeration, was a manual.
Can't remember how old, probably a G or H, it was a fairly new anyway.
It was the first Citroen that I had ever driven.
Though many years later I had a Xantia SX TD, I think it was an L Plate.
The brakes in that were super sensitive I can't remember which version Hydractive suspension it had though.
Sold it to a bloke on the FrenchCarForum. Had the Bosch fuel pump so I suspect he was going to Veg oil it.
That was the reason I bought it. I used to buy the drums of oil from Costco.0 -
Are we in agreement on the point that early XMs did indeed have the switch like brakes of the CX etc?
Without the spacer fitted to S2 models to make the brakes less on/off.
The one I moved, saying drove would be an exaggeration, was a manual.y
Can't remember how old, probably a G or H, it was a fairly new anyway.
It was the first Citroen that I had ever driven.
Though many years later I had a Xantia SX TD, I think it was an L Plate.
The brakes in that were super sensitive I can't remember which version Hydractive suspension it had though.
Sold it to a bloke on the FrenchCarForum. Had the Bosch fuel pump so I suspect he was going to Veg oil it.
That was the reason I bought it. I used to buy the drums of oil from Costco.
Who cares, a few hours ago you knew nothing about them.0 -
Deleted_User wrote: »I love driving bangers.
My Megane is 15 years old this year!
:beer:
My Puma is 16 in Feb. Talking to a friend with a new car over Christmas, £20k and it's been in for 3 faults and recalls so far in 6 months. Felt sorry that my £500 bargain has been good as gold every time since I bought it.Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.0 -
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WellKnownSid wrote: »1.6 HDi - this one is the 92hp version.
Got 3/4 mile down the road one morning before a huge red oil can appeared on the MFD and "Oil Pressure Fault Turn Off Engine" and the big STOP light in red.
Recovered - fault did not occur at the dealer, but recorded on the ECU.
No hesitation from Peugeot - told dealer to replace a laundry list of parts right away... Read into that what you will!
Husband leased a Citroen with the same engine, it was endless trouble to the point we surrendered in August 2014. I had a V plate saxo which gave no trouble, so hubby decided he would Go down the old car route and bought a 12 year old Seat- in almost 18 months and 20k miles it has only needed a new Cat for the emissions on the Mot setting back £148. I think it cost him around £800 to buy, so less than a grand spent for 18 months motoring, and the Citroen lease was £248 a month!
Both our saxo and seat are old but neither are bangers, but running and owning on a banger budget. Both well cared for with mountains of paper work included.0
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