They are not allowed to come onto the road

moneyistooshorttomention

wwl wrote: »

I'd ask the head of the school to address the nuisance being caused by their employee

That thought had crossed my mind. There is a 50/50 chance they would back the caretaker (just because he's theirs) on the one hand v. they are probably more intelligent than their caretaker and will understand when the wording of the Deeds is explained to them.

I think I might be inclined to work on the basis of them being more intelligent than the caretaker and go and see them and find a tactful way to get over the fact that their caretaker doesn't seem to be intelligent enough to understand that your Deeds DO mean you have the right to unrestricted number of visitors - but you are sure they personally ARE intelligent enough to understand that wording.

I couldn't think of how to get that bit of downright "buttering-up" over tactfully - but I think probably some others could:rotfl:

AlexMac

metroman wrote: »

Well, I sincerely hope it is going to be as simple as that .... Ive already told him he has no idea what he talking about. He is a proper little JobsWorth!!!

A pity, as generally, trivial neighbour disputes are best disarmed with courtesy, evasion, and a smile...

And it might be worth looking at it from the 'jobsworth's' point of view? He (if our local school caretaker is anything to go by) is probably at the 'bottom of the food chain' in that he has hardly any power. He is probably be bossed about by the school head, the bursar, admin staff, teachers and TAs...?

We live in a private street, where the boot is on the other foot; individual home owners own their bit of the street, but the local school is at the end, so we see a lot of our local caretaker

In fact our bloke (a really nice guy) says the parents are also insufferable to him, as they think that paying school fees give them the right to treat him like a serf when he's in a hi-vis jacket and tries to ensure safe traffic and discourage manic, unsociable parking at drop-off and end of school !

So he might just be trying to regain a bit of power, so he can brag to the bursar of how he has protected the school? The bursar is extremely unlikley to take you on; neighbour disputes are the last thing he wants, and he just won't want legal action- even if there were grounds- which there ain't !

So maybe a re-think, an assurance that there will not be many visitors, and that they are all decent types who won't mow down his kids... and the odd smile?

good luck!

metroman

AlexMac wrote: »

So maybe a re-think, an assurance that there will not be many visitors, and that they are all decent types who won't mow down his kids... and the odd smile? good luck!

No, I havnt been off hand with him, just matter of fact but with a smile.

What I have been doing is exactly what you have recommended, Ive even taken it a step further and asked that we work together to ensure a satisfactory outcome which he appreciated ... But, he is a very switchy guy (wife thinks he has personal problems) and ive certainly got my work cut out in trying to constantly placate him.

G_M

metroman wrote: »

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The paragraphs below are what are written in the Title Deeds regarding the right of way ....

The right of way (in common with others) at all times with or without vehicles over the land shown coloured ...... and ..... on the plan.

The right (in common with others) to park private motor vehicles on the part of the retained lane shown coloured .... on the plan.

Tell him they are "the others"

That may convince/satisfy the caretaker - it would not convince a court.

The 'others' in this case means anyone else (eg the school) who has a right to use the road. It is making it clear the road is not for your sole use.

Is that the full wording of the right? Is that right specified in the Title, or is the wording in the Title simply a paraphrase/reference to a right granted elsewhere eg in a separate Conveyance or Deed? What is the full wording there?

Usually the right would apply to the owner of the property, possibly extended to their guests, and employees (eg contractors, deliver people). Clients, eg of a business run by the owner might, or might not be included........

Full wording needed.

The caretaker, of course, can do nothing, except report upwards to the school (Board? Trust?) who would be the people who'd have to decide whether to follow up or not.

He may be just trying to seem self-impirtant. He may be angling for a 'sweetner' (to not report). Who knows.

Other consideration:
* insurance for running a business on the property - what if a client has an accident?

agrinnall

Do visitors have to drive past the school to get to your house, or is your house closer to the entrance of the road than the school is? How far into the road is your house, could people park prior to the entrance and walk to your house?

bigfreddiel

The problem is if you get into a dispute you will need to declare this if and when you decide to move on and sell your property.

fj

metroman

agrinnall wrote: »

Do visitors have to drive past the school to get to your house, or is your house closer to the entrance of the road than the school is? How far into the road is your house, could people park prior to the entrance and walk to your house?

Nobody drives past the school, it is right at the top of the road which is no through, and my house is much nearer the entrance than them.

Yes, people could park prior to the entrance with possibly some difficulty as most of the properties on the adopted road leading up to the school have dropped kerbs.

metroman

bigfreddiel wrote: »

The problem is if you get into a dispute you will need to declare this if and when you decide to move on and sell your property.

fj

I will be working very hard to make sure this never happens.

DigForVictory

Lapsed school governor here, seeing both sides.
Please, go have a courteous chat with the bursar. Advise said worthy (if not already aware) of the very limited additional traffic, and if they have any procedure they would appreciate you following? (Almost certainly no other than 'just watch out for latecomers!' unless they have a very vigilant approach to safeguarding, at which point I'd be expecting fences & gates) Does your daughter offer after-school Pilates sessions? (Might she for staff? Could she offer a free Pilates coaching session as a school raffle prize? School *may* have a noticeboard she could advertise on, after all.)
Also remind clients that there's a school nearby thus children will be a possible hazard.

The more gentlefolks understanding you can make this, the easier for all, now & in the future. The caretaker may not be best pleased, but so long as the school gets the message that you are entirely willing to be reasonable, helpful, cooperative & a good neighbour? Caretaker will be sorted.

metroman

G_M wrote: »

That may convince/satisfy the caretaker - it would not convince a court.

The 'others' in this case means anyone else (eg the school) who has a right to use the road. It is making it clear the road is not for your sole use.

Is that the full wording of the right? Is that right specified in the Title, or is the wording in the Title simply a paraphrase/reference to a right granted elsewhere eg in a separate Conveyance or Deed? What is the full wording there?

Usually the right would apply to the owner of the property, possibly extended to their guests, and employees (eg contractors, deliver people). Clients, eg of a business run by the owner might, or might not be included........

Full wording needed.

The caretaker, of course, can do nothing, except report upwards to the school (Board? Trust?) who would be the people who'd have to decide whether to follow up or not.

He may be just trying to seem self-impirtant. He may be angling for a 'sweetner' (to not report). Who knows.

Other consideration:
* insurance for running a business on the property - what if a client has an accident?

Ok ... I will start by saying that what I am reading from is a TP1 Document.