Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

missbiggles1

POPPYOSCAR wrote: »

And what has that got to do with my post?


I was responding to the poster who was deriding people for, and I quote for not "reading serious newspapers".

I was pointing out that the information will have been covered in the tabloids just as much as the broadsheets, even if with rather less analysis. I thought it a relevant point to make.

missbiggles1

Pollycat wrote: »

Well, Lizzie Cornish will not find this website the same sycophantic, delete-everything-that-doesn't-agree-with-us, we're-changing-our-'asks'-yet-again place as the WASPI Facebook page. :whistle:

I've only just looked at the WASPI Facebook page - what an extraordinary amount of misinfornation it includes!

saver861

jem16 wrote: »

I'm saying that it is fair but the fact that it is a guideline means it doesn't necessarily have to be followed.

Indeed not - the DWP guideline was introduced two years later.

However, as we agree it would be fair that everyone should have 10 years notice, what do you think anyone can do to try to influence government and/or MP's to have that fairness restored to those who had less than 10 years as a result of the 2011 changes?

Daniel54

Lizzie_Cornish wrote: »

You will find her words about us, before she became Pensions Minister, whilst working for SAGA, when she supported us 100% on her site (I can't link to it, sadly) here:

Most points you raise have been (over?)extensively covered already so I suggest taking some time to read at least some of what has gone before on this thread ,and others

I think many people on this board will be acquainted Ros Altmann's March 2011 briefing ,which is here

http://www.rosaltmann.com/women_spa_house_of_lords_briefing_march2011.htm

The briefing confines itself exclusively to the 2011 act and explicitly accepts the provisions of the 1995 act . You are no doubt aware that the outcome was to successfully obtain some modest but valuable concessions from the government

The WASPI campaign ( Facebook) states
"We are an action group campaigning against the unfair changes to the State Pension Age imposed on women born on or after 6th April 1951 (and how the changes were implemented). This includes both the 1995 and 2011 Pension Acts. "

It is impossible to read the briefing and conclude that it 100% supports the campaign aims.Far from it

For your statement to be true,the campaign would need to restrict itself to addressing only the transition arrangements in the 2011 act and amend it's ask to simply read " All we are asking is for the Government to meet with us"

Both these changes would substantially improve the likelihood of support from the Pensions Minister and greatly increase the campaign's chance of obtaining some betterment ,particularly if the Government can be encouraged to target any concession on those in the greatest financial distress .

jem16

missbiggles1 wrote: »

I've only just looked at the WASPI Facebook page - what an extraordinary amount of misinfornation it includes!

Very much so and more worryingly they actually believe it all to be true.

jem16

saver861 wrote: »

However, as we agree it would be fair that everyone should have 10 years notice, what do you think anyone can do to try to influence government and/or MP's to have that fairness restored to those who had less than 10 years as a result of the 2011 changes?

Concentrate only on the 2011 Act and less than 10 years notice for those born between April 1953 and November 1956.

POPPYOSCAR

missbiggles1 wrote: »

I was pointing out that the information will have been covered in the tabloids just as much as the broadsheets, even if with rather less analysis. I thought it a relevant point to make.

Still irrelevant to my post.


It would have made more sense to quote the post I was responding to, not mine.

colsten

Daniel54 wrote: »

For your statement to be true,the campaign would need to restrict itself to addressing only the transition arrangements in the 2011 act and amend it's ask to simply read " All we are asking is for the Government to meet with us"

There's no chance the WASPIs will drop the 1995 angle as they have set their sights on getting at least 5 years worth of pension money. Getting max 18 months worth of money doesn't turn them on, and any means-tested concessions are a complete no-no for WASPI Towers as they'd not get a bean.

They'd also have to include the interests of men affected by the 2011 increase to be taken serious. When asked why men should not get the same 2011 concessions as women, they stated publically that they are WASPI, not MASPI. Equality in action, WASPI-style!

chris_m

jem16 wrote: »

Very much so and more worryingly they actually believe it all to be true.

Surely it is?
It's on farcebook, so it must be.
:rotfl:

Al.

Pollycat wrote: »

Well, Lizzie Cornish will not find this website the same sycophantic, delete-everything-that-doesn't-agree-with-us, we're-changing-our-'asks'-yet-again place as the WASPI Facebook page. :whistle:

The WASPI campaign and 'media message' has been badly handled, I didn't realise a "pro" had been retained. How not to do it, I guess.

The Facebook page could have been somewhere for genuinely ignorant, worried and beleaguered ladies to turn to for help. As it is, it's little more than a soapbox for harpies to spout misinformed rubbish and shout down anyone who exposes their propaganda to robust scrutiny.