Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

colsten

jem16 wrote: »

Well I certainly don't look on myself as "elderly" - far from it!

I don't think any of the WASPI organising committee would consider themselves elderly - if you have seen them on the Select Committee recording, you will know they look like healthy, fit and well turned out ladies.

saver861

jem16 wrote: »

The "experts" on here know an awful lot more than the Waspi founders could even dream about.

Experts on here are experts at everything then?? ... including modesty!!! :cool:

jem16 wrote: »

There have been many knowledgeable and influential people who would have been more than happy to help out

Would these be the same people that were doing nothing prior to the WASPI campaign ..... very generous of them I must say. Tad late though .... if your gonna do it ... do it ... don't wait for someone else and then tell the world how badly the 'someone else' has got it wrong!!

Figgerty

colsten wrote: »

I don't think I have been condescending but I am quite used to people using that argument when they run out of good arguments. If you felt insulted by anything I said, I am sorry but I can't apologise as I never set out to insult you or anyone else.

Intended insults are easier to take but if you don't realise what you are doing then I feel sorry for you. I expect you put off a lot of novices to the website.

Figgerty

zagfles wrote: »

132,000 is less than 0.2% of the UK population. The petition to cap package holiday prices in the school holidays got more signatures, and more media coverage, and a debate in parliament. Nothing came of it, because it wasn't taken seriously.

The first debate wasn't widely reported at all. There was nothing on the BBC news about it. Not even on the politics page on the BBC website on the day, except buried deep in a blog about the day's events. No item in itself. I was surprised how little coverage it got.

The school holiday situation effected a lot more people than the change in state pension age that the #Waspi campaign is about. I mentioned in an earlier post that I spoke to a group of under 50's and they were not interested in the campaign.

MoneyWorry

There are over 3 million in the cohort. If you take away the husband's uncles 3 legged dog, those for whom signing petitions on change.org or 38 degrees is a hobby and a huge chunk who are anti government and just want to have a dip and you're not left with many as a percentage.

And despite all the Waspi rhetoric, Justice for Chunky is still racing ahead.

colsten

Figgerty wrote: »

Most of you posting on here are masters.

Masters? Can you explain that further?

Figgerty wrote: »

Are you paid to derail the #Waspi campaign.

The mere suggestion that anyone would be paid to post on here is preposterous. Having a different opinion doesn't mean you get paid by anyone, or that you will financially benefit in another way. Quite the opposite is true in my case: I am a 1954 woman, so one of the ones whose state retirement age has moved to the right a couple of times in the last 20 years. If WASPI were to succeed with their demands, I would get something like £36K (taxable, which many forget, lol). I don't want that money, and if I was given it (utterly unlikely), I would donate it to charity, probably split between my local hospice and a couple of local youth support organisations.

I like money, but I also like equality, and I have done so since my teens. Part of the equality story is that us women should not get state retirement benefits earlier than men do, not least because on average we do live longer than men (long term statistics: men spend some 33% of their lives in retirement, women 41%).

You can perhaps argue about the fairness of the additional 2011 deferments (which apply equally to all UK men and women), but we have to also think about who is paying our state pensions. It's people in work, including young people many of whom can't now afford buying their own place - something most of our generation could achieve in one way or another. The country was almost broke in 2008/9, we all have to tighten our belts. We, who are at, or near, the other end of the working life have no right to lumber the generations that come after us with huge taxes/debts just so we can have a jolly good retirement for the next 20 or 30 years.

Everybody needs to live in dignity, and the genuinely needy need to be looked after by society. This is not being achieved by demanding that the working generations fork out £120 billion over the next 6 years for the benefit people who never bothered with any forward planning for their retirement.

One last comment: some people seem to think that "the government" owes them money. In reality, the government has no money. It's the nation that has the money, and the government is the caretaker who distributes the nation's wealth across the needs of the nation. The nation at present does not have a need to indiscriminately pay £120 billion to women born in the 1950s.

MoneyWorry

Figgerty wrote: »

Intended insults are easier to take but if you don't realise what you are doing then I feel sorry for you. I expect you put off a lot of novices to the website.

I have considerably less posts than you and have never felt put off. MSE forums for the most part are good natured intelligent people who can and will debate. And it's like candy floss if you compare it to Twitter. :rotfl:

Figgerty

Who is Frances Coppola?

Someone posted a link to her blog on this site and under her name in the blog is: Finance, economics and music. There is also a "Donate" button to "support my work" on her blog. Is she subsidising her pension or what is her motive. Does she think people will donate without her saying why. I'm curious!

Figgerty

colsten wrote: »

Masters? Can you explain that further?

The mere suggestion that anyone would be paid to post on here is preposterous. Having a different opinion doesn't mean you get paid by anyone, or that you will financially benefit in another way. Quite the opposite is true in my case: I am a 1954 woman, so one of the ones whose state retirement age has moved to the right a couple of times in the last 20 years. If WASPI were to succeed with their demands, I would get something like £36K (taxable, which many forget, lol). I don't want that money, and if I was given it (utterly unlikely), I would donate it to charity, probably split between my local hospice and a couple of local youth support organisations.

I like money, but I also like equality, and I have done so since my teens. Part of the equality story is that us women should not get state retirement benefits earlier than men do, not least because on average we do live longer than men (long term statistics: men spend some 33% of their lives in retirement, women 41%).

You can perhaps argue about the fairness of the additional 2011 deferments (which apply equally to all UK men and women), but we have to also think about who is paying our state pensions. It's people in work, including young people many of whom can't now afford buying their own place - something most of our generation could achieve in one way or another. The country was almost broke in 2008/9, we all have to tighten our belts. We, who are at, or near, the other end of the working life have no right to lumber the generations that come after us with huge taxes/debts just so we can have a jolly good retirement for the next 20 or 30 years.

Everybody needs to live in dignity, and the genuinely needy need to be looked after by society. This is not being achieved by demanding that the working generations fork out £120 billion over the next 6 years for the benefit people who never bothered with any forward planning for their retirement.

One last comment: some people seem to think that "the government" owes them money. In reality, the government has no money. It's the nation that has the money, and the government is the caretaker who distributes the nation's wealth across the needs of the nation. The nation at present does not have a need to indiscriminately pay £120 billion to women born in the 1950s.

If you wish me to explain some part of a paragraph then have the courtesy of quoting the whole paragraph.

Figgerty

MoneyWorry wrote: »

There are over 3 million in the cohort. If you take away the husband's uncles 3 legged dog, those for whom signing petitions on change.org or 38 degrees is a hobby and a huge chunk who are anti government and just want to have a dip and you're not left with many as a percentage.

And despite all the Waspi rhetoric, Justice for Chunky is still racing ahead.

Good luck to Chunky. Is it a Government petition?