Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

molerat

Figgerty wrote: »

At 62, I am past middle age & see myself as elderly. Perhaps elderly may be insulting to some but I could have called them old. I see elderly as 60 - 80 and after that old. The state pension used to be called the Old Age Pension. Some people still call it that although the #WASPI publicity is changing that.

Speak for yourself

Figgerty

jem16 wrote: »

The "experts" on here know an awful lot more than the Waspi founders could even dream about.

There have been many knowledgeable and influential people who would have been more than happy to help out with a properly run campaign that looked to help those most in need. These people have been attacked and abused simply because they do not believe that every 1950s women deserves to be compensated as if the 1995 Act had never happened.

If WASPI had bothered to listen, something may indeed have happened with the 2011 Act but it's looking less and less likely and all because of a group of greedy women. Even their own supporters are turning on them and accusing them of feathering their own nests rather than looking at what their supporters actually want.



Holes are being picked here as people actually have the knowledge which is very sadly lacking in Waspi. Unlike on Twitter and Facebook we're more than happy and capable of debating.

I'm not a #Waspi member and did not become properly aware of their campaign until about 3 weeks ago. I welcome the fact that they have managed to get a debate on this issue. If some of the people on here offered to help perhaps the women wanted to do it their way. I would not ask help of many of the experts posting on this thread. You have turned me off this website as you are so critical. Perhaps it's just the DWP experts as I don't remember it being like this before I joined a pension discussion.

Figgerty

molerat wrote: »

Speak for yourself

So, how old are you and how do you classify your age.

Past 60 70 80 90

PS. A friend just pointed out that I refer to the over sixties as 'older; not elderly. So is "older woman" acceptable to you?

molerat

Figgerty wrote: »

So, how old are you and how do you classify your age.

Past 60 70 80 90

Nearly 62 and late middle aged. I will probably start getting elderly around 75.

MoneyWorry

When people buy into the "elderly at 60" routine, employers buy in to and that is one of the reasons there are less jobs on offer for the over 60s. Getting older is not to be confused with illness which can strike at any age. I'm 55, still consider myself young and am not on a slippery slope to being old and miserable. To me elderly is 75 and old over 80.

saver861

colsten wrote: »

WASPI's starting point is utterly unreasonable

In comparison to what? What was being asked for before they put their bid on the table?

colsten wrote: »

I am very well versed with the art of negotiation

You would then know that there was no negotiation taking place or no campaign existing to negotiate anything before WASPI.

colsten wrote: »

However, if you enter a negotiation with a totally outrageous position, you won't be taken serious.

Well the got 132,000 signatures for their petition. Lots of media exposure. Instigated debates in the House of Commons.

All from a group that's not being taken serious, hmmm .... what would have happened if they had been taken serious I wonder?

missbiggles1

Originally Posted by WASPI Facebook
"WASPI ask the Government to put all women born in the 50s, or after 6 April 1951 and affected by the state pension age in the same finacial position they would have been in had they been born on or before 5th April 1950".

And I bet they'll be really thrilled when they find out that they've got a much lower pension for the next 20/30 years because they only have 30 years' NICs rather than the 39 that were required if you were born before April 1950!

missbiggles1

molerat wrote: »

Nearly 62 and late middle aged. I will probably start getting elderly around 75.

I'd rather be old than elderly!

colsten

Figgerty wrote: »

Your posts are condescending and you have insulted me several times. You are quite off putting.

I don't think I have been condescending but I am quite used to people using that argument when they run out of good arguments. If you felt insulted by anything I said, I am sorry but I can't apologise as I never set out to insult you or anyone else.

zagfles

saver861 wrote: »

In comparison to what? What was being asked for before they put their bid on the table?



You would then know that there was no negotiation taking place or no campaign existing to negotiate anything before WASPI.



Well the got 132,000 signatures for their petition. Lots of media exposure. Instigated debates in the House of Commons.

All from a group that's not being taken serious, hmmm .... what would have happened if they had been taken serious I wonder?

132,000 is less than 0.2% of the UK population. The petition to cap package holiday prices in the school holidays got more signatures, and more media coverage, and a debate in parliament. Nothing came of it, because it wasn't taken seriously.

The first debate wasn't widely reported at all. There was nothing on the BBC news about it. Not even on the politics page on the BBC website on the day, except buried deep in a blog about the day's events. No item in itself. I was surprised how little coverage it got.