P4PARKING Notice

manuraheel

My lease says:
1- to park a private vehicle only at the premises
2- to park in the car parking space, garage or driveway allocated to the premises, if applicable.

Few more points which I feel are irrelevant.

Cameras are installed at the development and I do have a allocated space to park.

catfunt

You really need to read the NEWBIES thread... read it carefully and you may need to go through it 2 or 3 times for the information to go in. Learn the acronyms.

You will get help here, but the regulars don't have enough time to hold people's hands through the process.
Therefore, you will need to do some of the spadework yourself.

Go through the Newbies thread and try and write down in bullet points the steps you need to take, to help your understanding.

When it comes to the POPLA appeal, have a look round (use Forum search) for some recent appeals - especially those relating to people being ticketed in their own homes, put a draft together and post it on this thread for critique.
The learned amongst us will then help you fine tune it.

manuraheel

That's exactly what I am doing right now, thank you

Umkomaas

@manuraheel - I think I may have accelerated you to quickly through the process. POPLA is a little way off at this point. You need to send away your initial appeal to P4Parking first, which they will inevitably reject, but provide you with a POPLA code. So actually working on a POPLA appeal at this stage is a little premature, but if all you're doing is a bit of reading, this will prove invaluable when the time comes.

In post #1 of the newbies sticky there is a ready-made initial appeal. Use that, do not add or take anything out - just use it word-for-word. But the key to this part of the process is to get your timing right on that initial appeal. Depending on whether the PPC wants an appeal electronically (send it around day 25) or by snail mail (around day 22, with free proof of posting from the PO) you need to hold back until the appropriate time. The windscreen ticket should give you details on how they want the appeal forwarded. Do not act hastily here.

The sticky explains why this timing is important.

manuraheel

Hello Umkomaas

Thank you so much for your reply. This forum is so helpful. Now that Ive read many posts about Parking notices I have noticed most of you are very active in helping out all of us. Honestly thank you all.

The link I have attached is a picture of the PCN I have received (its one I found online which is similar to mine, only difference the CODE : 201- No Parking Permit on visible display). I will also post pictures of the parking signs tomorrow, maybe you experts can point out something that should/shouldn't be on the signs etc

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so Ive read the Newbies sticky and this is what I understand with a few questions too

1- I have checked P4PARKING is a AOS member with the BPA

2- on my ticket it says to pay within 14 days for a reduced charge. So should I appeal to the PPC on the 14th day or 22nd. Both days have been mentioned on the sticky so I am a bit confused. If i do appeal on the 22nd day and it gets rejected and if my POPLA is rejected too will I have to pay the increased charge? and if I make an appeal by the 14th day and it gets rejected and my POPLA is rejected too would I pay the reduced charge?
And I should make the appeal to the PPC regardless of receiving the NTK

3- Which way would be best to make an appeal to the PPC in this case Email or Post?

4 - It is the NTK which if I ever receive needs to be compared to the paragraph 8 of POFA 2012 not the PCN ( I received a windscreen PCN) right ?

5 - under the Postal PCN section is says " look for omissions in wording or late arrival of the NTK and include those points in you appeal" this is referring to the POPLA appeal right? so I don't need to worry about this until that stage.

6 - I have understood I should not add anything to the example appeal letter. Nothing like the car has a resident permit which doesn't need to be visible and the driver assumed he could park there as signs are not clear.
haha sounds funny even asking but have to ask.

Thanks once again, looking forward to all your replies

Coupon-mad

manuraheel wrote: »

so Ive read the Newbies sticky and this is what I understand with a few questions too.
1- I have checked P4PARKING is a AOS member with the BPA

yep.

2- on my ticket it says to pay within 14 days for a reduced charge. So should I appeal to the PPC on the 14th day or 22nd. Both days have been mentioned on the sticky so I am a bit confused.

If you can appeal online do so arounf day 25 or 26 in fact (shortly before day 28 is your aim).

If i do appeal on the 22nd day and it gets rejected and if my POPLA is rejected too will I have to pay the increased charge?

Forget the 14 days. Forget the 'discount' joke.

and if I make an appeal by the 14th day and it gets rejected and my POPLA is rejected too would I pay the reduced charge?

Forget the 14 days. Forget the 'discount' joke.

And I should make the appeal to the PPC regardless of receiving the NTK

yep

3- Which way would be best to make an appeal to the PPC in this case Email or Post?

If online or email appeal is offered, choose that and keep a screenshot.

4 - It is the NTK which if I ever receive needs to be compared to the paragraph 8 of POFA 2012 not the PCN ( I received a windscreen PCN) right?

yep, you got it.

5 - under the Postal PCN section is says " look for omissions in wording or late arrival of the NTK and include those points in you appeal" this is referring to the POPLA appeal right? so I don't need to worry about this until that stage.

That's right. Chances are you won't get a NTK which is what you want to happen and why you are delaying the appeal, to finally get past 56 days by the time it comes to POPLA, after which it will be too late for the PPC to put it right.

6 - I have understood I should not add anything to the example appeal letter. Nothing like the car has a resident permit which doesn't need to be visible and the driver assumed he could park there as signs are not clear.
haha sounds funny even asking but have to ask.

Well obviously you have to amend the bit that says {ADD TEXT HERE if you can attach a retailer receipt or Blue Badge: 'e.g. 'An occupant of the car is disabled...' or 'The driver was a genuine patron of xxxx' (retailer, hotel) or similar}. So you certainly could add what you've said there about the permit.

manuraheel

Thank you Coupon mad, I totally forgot about the PCN, been a busy few days.
So I wanted some suggestions. My partner spoke to the manager of this development, they had a long chat and he has suggested that we speak to P4parking and tell them the driver had his permission and now the matter is between you (P4parking) and him. Basically my husband said he doesn't want to pick up the phone and call himself because it puts him in a sticky position, but once we call and explain they'll get back to him, I dont know if this will work I am really confused now. Though manager sounds quite convincing and seems he knows what he is talking about.
My partner feels we need do this first, if we do decide to call how can I avoid telling them about the driver. Can I speak as the keeper of the car like i would if i emailed them?

Ralph-y

do not do anything yet ......
calling a PPC is frowned on .....

only ever write if you need contact

so wait and check for advice off the forum elders before proceeding

good luck

Ralph:cool:

manuraheel

Thanks Ralph-y
We are just sticking to the original plan, going to appeal in a few days.
But you guys wont believe it !
I received another fine in the post for the same day ! This time the driver overstayed at a car park by 20 minutes while shopping at A&B ( not naming actual site as I am getting paranoid). Shopping there was the reason the driver had so many bags and ended up parking on the visitor bay!
This is so frustrating.
So I've had a look at the letter it says Contractual PCN, I did compare it to POFA and it seems everything is according to it but will go over it again.
As far as I am sure this site had no signs before entering the car park, I will visit it again to take pictures. I noticed the signs inside on my 5th trip there, they were so small or high up and seemed A4 sized!
I needed some advice, should I start a new thread?
The company is G24, on their website it says IPC and BPA, but when I check online they only come up on IPC.
I really don't want to get in to debt collection etc. I can deal with the BPA appeal etc as I feel more confident about appealing to POPLA.
But for a IPC PCN I am not sure. How can I attach a few pictures here I want to share a few with you guys.
The postal PCN was issued just before Christmas and I received it a week or more later so basically I got a week of the 14 day period to pay a discounted rate. They PCN is addressed to me as "Mr. Mrs. XXX XXX"
Thank you

Coupon-mad

I've had a look at the letter it says Contractual PCN, I did compare it to POFA and it seems everything is according to it but will go over it again.

No such thing, 100% compliant - but I agree that G24 efforts are pretty good, last time I saw one. So it's not P4Parking, then?

I really don't want to get in to debt collection etc.

You have no choice unless you get it cancelled. I've laughed at Debt collector letter chains re fake PCNs before and so have thousands of posters here before you. We would not tell people to ignore debt letters, if they meant anything. They do not. Nothing happens but keep the letters and be alert in case G24 or a solicitor write a 'Letter before Claim' or if they send Court papers (unheard of for G24 but not impossible, so check each letter and as long as it's a debt collector one, it's drivel).