Need a new job following Dismissal (Unfair but not proved)

tomtontom

patman99 wrote: »

With all your years experience within the Banking industry, then surely you are well qualified to work as a self-employed financial advisor?.

Just a thought.

OP doesn't have the relevant qualifications to work as an IFA. Even if he took the exams I expect the dismissal would be an issue for the FCA.

I do feel for you OP, and from the way you've come across here I think you'd be an asset to an employer. Have you looked at contacting small businesses, going straight to the MD and asking for a meeting? You'll get a fair few knock backs but you might just find one that will give you a break.

bugslet

duff67 wrote: »

When I decided to stop proceedings, my Solicitor offered to write a letter stating in his opinion, he understood my decision to withdraw and the case had merit. He stated that if I had have had the money to continue, in his opinion, I would have stood a good chance of winning.

He thought it would help, what was an unfair result given the Banks actions.

Therefore I have the letter which I can show potential employers.

Not knowing what the letter says exactly, I may be wrong, but as an employer, that wouldn't mean that much to me. Having been on the other side of the fence in a tribunal, I know the employee was told he had a good case by his solicitor. He didn't, which reflected in the tiny payment he got on the basis of a technical fault we had made.

Yours may be completely different, but I thought I'd add that in.

tomtontom wrote: »

I do feel for you OP, and from the way you've come across here I think you'd be an asset to an employer. Have you looked at contacting small businesses, going straight to the MD and asking for a meeting? You'll get a fair few knock backs but you might just find one that will give you a break.

Good advice. Just because I see something that might not look right at first glance, I don't write anyone off until I've heard the reason why.

duff67

tomtontom wrote: »

OP doesn't have the relevant qualifications to work as an IFA. Even if he took the exams I expect the dismissal would be an issue for the FCA.

I do feel for you OP, and from the way you've come across here I think you'd be an asset to an employer. Have you looked at contacting small businesses, going straight to the MD and asking for a meeting? You'll get a fair few knock backs but you might just find one that will give you a break.

Sopt on Tomtontom. Financial advisers are a specialist area and exams I do not currently have so it would be hard to s/employ in this area.

I am grateful for your emotion also - not much of it around and when I consider what has happened, I have really lost all sense of traditional trust with people. I have been 'ditched' and rather than being able to get started again with my traditional values of right and wrong and doing the right thing etc etc - I am banging my head on walls.

Followed up an application yest where I applied for an Asst Finance role. Was told by HR of the firm, that they didn;t feel role was right as my CV showed too much experience - I said i'd be happy to start at the entry level and show what I was about - they then said, well the main reason is that the girl in the Finance role is 2 years into work (early 20's) and would feel intimidated by your experience as her asst !!

The employment world is nuts unfortunately, & I am going to waste & not really £surviving.

duff67

bugslet wrote: »

Not knowing what the letter says exactly, I may be wrong, but as an employer, that wouldn't mean that much to me. Having been on the other side of the fence in a tribunal, I know the employee was told he had a good case by his solicitor. He didn't, which reflected in the tiny payment he got on the basis of a technical fault we had made.

Yours may be completely different, but I thought I'd add that in.



Good advice. Just because I see something that might not look right at first glance, I don't write anyone off until I've heard the reason why.

If asked, I will happily produce all the 'dismissal documents' that the Bank made their case around. Open forum so not one to be specific - but in summary - I have always hobbied in photography. 4 years ago I paid to learn from a photographer in a studio. Part of the day was model shooting. At the time I was chuffed with my images from the day and put a FB page 2012/2013 with a few of the taken images. The Bank knew of my hobby / colleagues & bosses asked in general conversation every now and then and images were requested and shown. Everyone happy.

One part of the day a studio set modelled was lingerie (covered ie not sheer showing). 2 of these images were part of the uploaded FB day images. 2012/Jan 2013.

The Bank Jul14 - printed this 'now unused page' and obtained random 3 staff witness statements saying ' they felt uncomfortable'. I was dismissed co incidentally to tie in at the time of National reshuffle and BM reduction.

30years - no issues says something. I should have resigned once suspended in hindsight, but to me that would have suggested 'guilty' so being traditional (of that era), I thought the madness would not prevail and I challenged it and stood strong. Their agenda was more powerful than mine & being 'dismissed' means no job prospects I have learnt !!

Too much info, but I wanna scream at the 'madness'

ThemeOne

Sometimes in these situations people are "let go" on the understanding a good, or non-commital, reference will be supplied, but it seems you were not so fortunate.

The only option I can suggest is temporary office work via an agency. Agencies are supposed to reference check the same as other employers, and I believe most do, but some might be a bit less thorough so could be worth try different ones - the smaller agencies are usually more flexible in their approach.

Another advantage to using agencies is you can at least give your side of the story to the consultant you see, and they make take a sympathetic approach.

HopeAndDriftWood

duff67 wrote: »

Followed up an application yest where I applied for an Asst Finance role. Was told by HR of the firm, that they didn;t feel role was right as my CV showed too much experience - I said i'd be happy to start at the entry level and show what I was about - they then said, well the main reason is that the girl in the Finance role is 2 years into work (early 20's) and would feel intimidated by your experience as her asst !!

I'm not sure if it'll help, but I'm in my mid 20's and my assistant is in her 50's. Her age and previous experience don't matter to me, just how good she is at the job.

That said, I work in finance and it'd be a hard sell to get risk to even consider someone who had been dismissed by another bank.

Do you know what the documentation is saying? Gross misconduct/bringing the bank into disrepute/etc?

Tiddlywinks

What was the actual headline reason for dismissal - gross misconduct?

Have you obtained a copy of the reference provided? You need to know the wording.

In our area there are a few 'Meet Up' groups that hold breakfast networking etc for unemployed professionals and also groups for small businesses. Have a look and see if there are any local groups that might help your networking.

http://www.meetup.com

Also, can you progress your photography hobby into a business? Set up a website with stock photos etc?

duff67

SaucySecrets wrote: »

I'm not sure if it'll help, but I'm in my mid 20's and my assistant is in her 50's. Her age and previous experience don't matter to me, just how good she is at the job.

That said, I work in finance and it'd be a hard sell to get risk to even consider someone who had been dismissed by another bank.

Do you know what the documentation is saying? Gross misconduct/bringing the bank into disrepute/etc?

That assumes that the 'other bank' followed the correct process and dismissed for the right reasons.

Over my years I have seen many people be dishonest in Banking - taking money, commiting fraud, money removal, false advice for personal bonus - you then hear stories re LIBOR fixing, PPI & CCP etc etc .........me, >>> gross misconduct for learning a new skill hobby.

Yeah - thats on a par. !! but society appears to be treating me like it is.

The only reason given by Banks, in the discipline process, for dismissal is gross misconduct. They don't have different degrees - nor do they state why on ref - just gross misconduct.

In relation to what I could have done and made unfair profit/dishonest profit from - I feel society should 'hard sell' the injustice of what has happened and must happen to other 'poor souls' by these big 'unloyal returning' financial institutuions

I was a number - my life quality or skill or loyalty doesn't matter and the people within Banking or other organisations don't care (aslong as not in my backyard attitude).

duff67

Tiddlywinks wrote: »

What was the actual headline reason for dismissal - gross misconduct?

Have you obtained a copy of the reference provided? You need to know the wording.

In our area there are a few 'Meet Up' groups that hold breakfast networking etc for unemployed professionals and also groups for small businesses. Have a look and see if there are any local groups that might help your networking.

http://www.meetup.com

Also, can you progress your photography hobby into a business? Set up a website with stock photos etc?

Thank you and thank you (2 suggestions )

I will review meetup.com

Photographywise, I am good at what I take, but hard these days (forums and discussions with photographers) to make a living as most Tom,!!!! & Harriet have a DSLR or mobile with good camera and take their own images. Would love to link with another photographer or persue the art i enjoy - but would find it difficult starting from scratch given the above

Tiddlywinks

Meet-up has lots of photography based groups - for all levels.

I'm a member of a few groups and they organise trips and share knowledge. Maybe you might meet someone who needs a hand from time to time or can subcontract work to you?

You could even start your own group if none was close enough - that way, you'd have something on your CV too about external activities.

A 'shout out' is sent out locally about new groups - I saw one recently for middle aged unemployed folks wanting to get together to share ideas and experience. Also, there are lots of breakfast clubs for self employed people wanting to skill share and barter... so all good for getting connected. It's easier to explain and network in an informal setting so you might have more success than on paper.