Parking charge notice (PCN) - A S Parkingin Cornwall

Kerensa

I need clarification with a parking chargeicon notice received from A S Parking based over in Newquay. A group of us, 10 in all, received a PCN on our windscreens for parking on private land demanding £60 within 14 days or £100 within 28 days at around 8.30 in the evening. We were attending a friend's birthday party who had no idea that only residents were allowed to park there. We thought of appealing to the company for the following reasons:

1. Everyone was coming to this area for the first time and in the dark.

2. The private parking notice outside the house was not seen as (a) the light was out above the notice and, even if it had been on, (b) the notice was too high to be read from the ground in the dark. Photographs were taken of this.

3. When visiting a place for the first time in the dark a driver is generally trying to find the address and, again, as the light was out on this lamp post by this house, no-one saw it.

4. There are no lines indicating 'no parking' on this road.

5. 2 guest cars parked further down the same road did not receive parking tickets. This seems very inconsistent.

6. We are all genuinely careful citizens and not one of us set out to act illegally or unfairly.

What chances do we have of these points being taken on board? The company is an IAS member and from what I have read that even if our original appeal has been rejected, appealing to the IAS will be of no use as it seems to be a kangaroo court.

Do we just pay up the reduced fine and forget about it?

Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks. :mad:

Quentin

Go to the newbies FAQ thread at the top of the forum for advice on how to deal with your ticket.


You will see most of your appeal points above are irrelevant!


(And you must not admit to being the responsible driver!)

Coupon-mad

Kerensa wrote: »

We thought of appealing to the company for the following reasons...

Don't, please DON'T unless any of you have a COMPANY OR LEASE/HIRE car in which case they would have to appeal to hook it away from the lease firm or company who might well just pay these at the higher rate when they get a letter, and add admin on top.

So check with all victims to make sure all registered keepers are in the households.

What chances do we have of these points being taken on board?

None. In fact you'd all shoot yourselves in the foot.

The company is an IAS member and from what I have read that even if our original appeal has been rejected, appealing to the IAS will be of no use as it seems to be a kangaroo court.

You got it! Nasty situation - bunch of ex-clampers I think - but not something that offers an appeal worth trying.

Do we just pay up the reduced fine and forget about it?

No, that would not be what we advise at all. I'd be looking to ignore the debt collector letter chain - warn everyone, show them the links in post #4 of the Newbies thread about that tedious stage.

Only court papers or a Letter before Claim from the firm themselves or their solicitors, should be taken seriously.

You can either all ignore from now, or all use the template first appeal from the NEWBIES thread. That will keep the driver unidentifed (tell ALL victims not to choose 'driver' in the drop down menu if there's an appeals 'page' offered by AS and not to reply if they get a letter demanding to know who was driving). It's very important.

Those who decide to send the Newbies template letter (and personally I would not send ANYTHING to an IPC member at all) will then get a rejection letter telling them that they have no case and, very probably, going on about the Beavis case - which is not actually comparable to what you describe but when did a PPC let facts get in the way of demands for money?!

Post #3 of the NEWBIES thread shows what the options are at IAS stage if any of you bother. My view is, stay under the radar unless any of you are company/hire/courtesy car drivers or if the registered keepers of any cars are vulnerable pushovers who would be best not getting the letters. If anyone falls into that bracket, the driver should hook the letters in their direction but still NOT actually saying they were 'the driver'.

Now let me predict: half the victims will now ignore the advice here and they'll panic and pay. I hope not! But that's how these firms work and people think they are in the wrong and are scared.

The_Deep

My advice is for you all to appeal majoring on deficient signage.

These appeals will almost certainly be rejected but the anonymous adjudicators, but their decisions will be so partial towards their paymaster, so devoid of common sense, and so contrary to natural justice, (they will probably ask for proof that the sign was unlit), that no PPC with any sense would allow a judge to see them. Besides, if you all appeal it will cost them a fair bit of money.

Also, did any of the paperwork mention v.a.t? if this is a contractual charge
then vat is payable. More reading here.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5033796=

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5195437

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5087925=

If you suspect tax evasion go here

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5087925

Ten letters claiming they are fiddling vat could well do them some damage.

maddog2015

To help you out kerensa as a resident on the estate I wish to address your points, firstly the householder you were at was given a letter and two permits for visitors and the whole process was clearly explained and the person was also personally spoken to about the scheme before it commenced. The signage is clear and prior to the address you have passed some three signs so if these were missed I would question your ability to drive at night as they are all clear and large. Further more having had my garage and my neighbours blocked by a party goer the household was knocked on and no one admitted it was their car! Worth noting that this car was also parked under a sign regarding the restrictions and a street light so clearly no reason to miss it! No lines are required for the scheme as there is clear signage as I have already stated. I question your genuinely careful citizens when numerous drives and garages were blocked by the party goers, I wonder how you would feel if you couldn't get in your garage when returning home from work at night and knocking on doors to no avail. I wish you luck in your appeal as numerous residents were disgusted with the visitors parking attitude and if needed I for one would happily supply to the company any evidence they might required for civil action.
I raise the point again that the host resident is fully aware of the parking enforcement and struggle to see your point that you could not see at least on of the five signs that stretch from the entrance to the estate to where the bottom garages were blocked right beside a sign!

enfield_freddy

did you allow the parking Co , or the management Co to alter the terms of your lease? or more worrying did the property holder of the property involved give AS parking permission to act on their behalf , and alter the terms of there contract?

Coupon-mad

maddog2015 wrote: »

To help you out kerensa as a resident on the estate I wish to address your points, firstly the householder you were at was given a letter and two permits for visitors and the whole process was clearly explained and the person was also personally spoken to about the scheme before it commenced. The signage is clear and prior to the address you have passed some three signs so if these were missed I would question your ability to drive at night as they are all clear and large. Further more having had my garage and my neighbours blocked by a party goer the household was knocked on and no one admitted it was their car! Worth noting that this car was also parked under a sign regarding the restrictions and a street light so clearly no reason to miss it! No lines are required for the scheme as there is clear signage as I have already stated. I question your genuinely careful citizens when numerous drives and garages were blocked by the party goers, I wonder how you would feel if you couldn't get in your garage when returning home from work at night and knocking on doors to no avail. I wish you luck in your appeal as numerous residents were disgusted with the visitors parking attitude and if needed I for one would happily supply to the company any evidence they might required for civil action.
I raise the point again that the host resident is fully aware of the parking enforcement and struggle to see your point that you could not see at least on of the five signs that stretch from the entrance to the estate to where the bottom garages were blocked right beside a sign!

Hello AS Parking.

Flippin' tranparent posting by a parking firm, because a resident would not just stumble on this thread! You must be mad if you think you come across as a 'resident'. Clearly AS Parking gets alerts when your scumbag operation is mentioned.

The_Deep

Well, if Maddog is a PPC stooge he or she better get their tax affairs in order.

maddog2015

I can confirm that I have nothing to do with the enforcement company and as stated a very annoyed resident with the above post made by one of the inconsiderate persons that felt the need to ignor all the signage and deny residents the ability to park on their own property!

Kerensa

I guess we must be 10 blind drivers then!

Herzlos

maddog2015 wrote: »

I can confirm that I have nothing to do with the enforcement company and as stated a very annoyed resident with the above post made by one of the inconsiderate persons that felt the need to ignor all the signage and deny residents the ability to park on their own property!

How did you find this post then? Do you have google alerts set up for your estate name?


OP - Did anyone knock on the door asking for a car to be moved? I suspect not.

I'd wait for something in writing from AS Parking (maddog above), and then appeal with the usual points - key one being insufficient signage. Whilst maddog will claim it was impossible to miss, none of the PPC's to date have been caught with compliant signage, attested to the fact that 10 of you missed it. I doubt that all 10 of you were unfit to drive.

The signage must be so obvious it's impossible to miss, and you proved 10 times that it was easily missed. It's up to them to prove differently.