Thoughts for those that lost their lives in Paris

setmefree2

The cancellation of the football match in Hannover on Tuesday night was the latest expression of a terrorist fear that currently wracks Europe.
Coming after a long month in which major attacks were seen in Egypt's Sinai peninsula, Beirut, Baghdad, Ankara, and Paris, the febrile environment has generated an understandable level of concern that means people in major cities across Europe feel concern that they might fall into terrorist harm.
Yet, the reality is that people face a greater daily danger from using their cars than they do from falling foul of terrorist plots in a European capital.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34856349

WannaBLoaded

I thought the other problem with menses was that his english was a bit on the pidgin side and when the police were calling him he did not stop.

Either way, rare situation, certainly not one that warrants a weirdo like corbyn trying to make some sort of point just to be different.

It is of course very sad what happened to him, any premature shortening of life is sad.

Tromking

zarf2007 wrote: »

oh so you would be so forgiving if it was your family on the receiving end?

Of course not.
I'm forgiving of the Police because I remember the febrile atmosphere of the country at the time and it's important we put it in that context.
This country was under attack and the people entrusted to protect us and take the fight to the terrorists were a bunch of volunteer civilian police officers who if they were hung out to dry could along with hundreds of other fellow volunteers hand in their firearms with no questions asked.
These brave public servants deserved a 'cover up' to protect them, just as the family of De Menezes deserved an apology from the Met Commissioner and the not inconsiderable financial compensation, although I seem to remember they are still after their pound of flesh via the European legal route.
Surprisingly I don't remember the Brazilian state making too much of fuss about this, although perhaps when 2000 people are shot every year by the Police in Brazil it's not that surprising.

Generali

BobQ wrote: »

The party has now had the chance to let off steam and rue the day it selected the wrong Miliband. Now they have had a glimpse of the future of what a Corbyn leadership means.

Labour is rapidly approaching a fork in the road.

On one route Corbyn continues and the party heads to the obscurity of being a protest party of less than 50 MPs, intellectually well founded but unelectable.

On the other, the PLP selects a credible challenger and defeats Corbyn next summer, restores some balance to the party and makes it electable. If that does not happen, the reactionary forces will begin de-selecting existing MPs and the party will indeed be over.

From what I understand of the party rules, getting a challenger up would be trivial. Whether the members feel the same as the majority of people or at least of Labour-curious posters on here is a different matter. Simpletons like Livingstone and Stop the War still seem to support Mr Corbyn.

SailorSam

Sorry if this has already posted.
This was on the 6pm News, An open letter by the husband of a lady killed in the attacks.
It's very moving.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34862437

Yolina

Also, not seen this make it to the British media but this woman was simply amazing, she's a retired lawyer - it's not just what she says but how she says it.

For the non-French speakers, it goes thus:
"It is very important to bring flowers to our dead, it is very important to read several times Hemingway's 'Paris est une fete' because we are a very old civilisation and we will display our values high. We will befriend the 5 million Muslims who practice their religion freely and peacefully and we will fight the 10,000 barbarians who claim to kill in the name of Allah."

Paris est une fete is "a moveable feast" in case anyone's wondering

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/shot-dead-by-police-30-officers-convicted-0-321142.html
So true and it's not that rare either!

30 deaths in 12 years


what would you have liked to happen in these 30 cases?


automatic trials ?
automatic assumption of guilt?
long prison sentences?

Generali

12 years is a bit of a strange time period to pick. It makes me think that it's 31 in 20 years or something.

vivatifosi

I'm a bit confused by the 20 deaths in twelve years bit.

The article seems to be from 2012, yet cites cases from as far back as 1993.

I also find it more problematic that there is little distinction between the thirty. I find the de Menezes case v sad, same with the chap who was carrying a table leg. However I don't have the same sympathy for the person who was holding hostages, or the ones who opened fire on the police.

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Generali wrote: »

12 years is a bit of a strange time period to pick. It makes me think that it's 31 in 20 years or something.

But that doesn't make such a good headline right