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I don't understand why people can't be bothered!

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  • jimjames
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    edited 10 November 2015 at 9:44PM
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    ft100
    but banks haven't done too well
    some oil stocks aren't great
    the odd supermarket isn't doing too well
    You do realise that anyone invested in the FTSE 100 is up around 70% since 2000? That's hardly showing a loss.
    Supermarkets may not have done well recently but even Tesco is at a higher price now than it was in 2000.

    Misinformation or believing things that are more hearsay than fact is probably another reason why people don't invest.
    Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.
  • marleyboy
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    Archi_Bald wrote: »
    As you have admitted it already, I can confirm that you don't know enough about it.

    It's a crying shame that most people weren't taught in school what savings and investments, and their differences are, and why everybody should want to invest for their own future.

    There are a lot off great books and websites about investing, and everyone should care about acquiring at least some basic understanding. Especially with the advent of workplace pensions, it seems pretty critical that people have some basic grasp of investments.
    Meh. I am financially secure enough not to worry about needing even the most basic knowledge on the subject. Have managed nearly 50 Years without the knowledge to get by, I am sure I can manage the rest. ;)
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  • CLAPTON
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    jimjames wrote: »
    You do realise that anyone invested in the FTSE 100 is up around 70% since 2000? That's hardly showing a loss.
    Supermarkets may not have done well recently but even Tesco is at a higher price now than it was in 2000.

    Misinformation or believing things that are more hearsay than fact is probably another reason why people don't invest.



    2000 the ft100 was 6223
    today it is 6275
  • Sam_J12
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    2000 the ft100 was 6223
    today it is 6275

    That does not include dividends though. With dividends there is a much larger profit.
  • ChesterDog
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    edited 10 November 2015 at 10:26PM
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    Ever heard of dividends?

    Think they are piddling little things that make no real difference?
    I am one of the Dogs of the Index.
  • CLAPTON
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    Sam_J12 wrote: »
    That does not include dividends though. With dividends there is a much larger profit.



    if you're comparing money earning dividends with money kept under the matress then please make it clear.
  • jimjames
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    edited 10 November 2015 at 10:53PM
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    if you're comparing money earning dividends with money kept under the matress then please make it clear.

    It does appear that you've not invested and don't understand investments. At least marleyboy recognised that.
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    2000 the ft100 was 6223
    today it is 6275
    So even on the raw FTSE100 numbers your initial statement was wrong before you even include dividends as 6275 is higher than 6223.
    Sam_J12 wrote: »
    That does not include dividends though. With dividends there is a much larger profit.
    And it only focuses on one index rather than a balanced portfolio as well as only looking at a single point in time.
    Remember the saying: if it looks too good to be true it almost certainly is.
  • Glen_Clark
    Glen_Clark Posts: 4,397 Forumite
    Sam_J12 wrote: »
    That does not include dividends though. With dividends there is a much larger profit.

    My Ftse100 ETF yields 4.1% - beats savings accounts :)
    Wheras my S&P 500 ETF yields only 1.68%
    Pricing suggests the market feels UK politics inhibits growth, compared to the US?
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  • JohnRo
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    CLAPTON wrote: »
    if you're comparing money earning dividends with money kept under the matress then please make it clear.
    Aren't you the one doing that?

    Quoting an index number in isolation is meaningless, the index generates income, that can't just be ignored to make a point, about +70% has been returned in reinvested dividends since 2000. Of course inflation then scrapes a lot of the polish off that number but it does that with everything else too.
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  • CLAPTON
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    ChesterDog wrote: »
    nl35tw.jpg

    Ever heard of dividends?

    Think they are piddling little things that make no real difference?





    Your sacrasm is unwelcome and un-necessary: this should be a sensible discuss not a bad tempered rant.


    I hold shares and a wide variety of investments.


    However to compare stock investment with (say) savings one must obviously compare like with like.
    Yes, investments generate dividends and saving generate interest.


    A fair minded compasion compares like for like.


    Your graph illustrates the variability of the stock exchange and the scope for losing capital.
    Of course if you are rich enough NEVER to NEED the money urgently then the stock exchange is fine : however if you will ever need the money to say buy a house or fund such for your childen or is a fund in case of redundancy or a must have pension, then one needs to cognise its variability.


    e.g. if one had a urgent need for money in 2003 or 2008/9 then one would perhaps take a more considered view.
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