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edgex

nigelbb wrote: »

Most of the PPC abuses as listed above could be stopped if current ANPR systems were banned as an enforcement mechanism. It is after all fundamentally flawed as it can never accurately measure the time the car is actually parked. It is forbidden for council enforcement.

There are schemes that would ensure fairness for the motorist but little profit for the PPCs e.g. exit barriers as per most multi-storey car parks or shutting the gate at night when the car park owner doesn't want peple using the car park.

is this stated anywhere officially & publicly?

trisontana

edgex wrote: »

is this stated anywhere officially & publicly?

All I can say is have you ever seen a council car park with ANPR cameras?

Half_way

arthurx1234 wrote: »

Taken from article
Here is Lord Neuberger's advice:

ParkingEye has an appeals procedure, and the BPA Code of Practice provides at paragraph 13.4 for a reasonable grace period after the expiry of the fixed parking period. The appeals procedure provides a degree of protection for any overstayer, who would be able to cite any special circumstances as a reason for avoiding the charge. And, while the Code of Practice is not a contractual document, it is in practice binding on the operator since its existence and observance is a condition of his ability to obtain details of the registered keeper from the DVLA.

So the whole COP is binding??? surely not, but hope so!!
Arthur

Dont forget that the COP is up for editing when it doesn't suit the members of the BPA Limited, dont be at all surprised to see some hefty edits in the next update

nigelbb

edgex wrote: »

is this stated anywhere officially & publicly?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2960986/Thousands-rip-parking-fines-dished-town-hall-car-parks-illegally-using-automatic-number-plate-recognition.html
Not that I'm a Daily Mail reader:-) That was the first link I found that explained the situation when I Googled.

TDA

trisontana wrote: »

All I can say is have you ever seen a council car park with ANPR cameras?

I believe there is a multi-storey one in High Wycombe.

edgex

trisontana wrote: »

All I can say is have you ever seen a council car park with ANPR cameras?

nigelbb wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2960986/Thousands-rip-parking-fines-dished-town-hall-car-parks-illegally-using-automatic-number-plate-recognition.html
Not that I'm a Daily Mail reader:-) That was the first link I found that explained the situation when I Googled.

What I was getting at, is that if there was an official letter/instruction from the government to councils etc stating that they are not to use ANPR themselves, or allow their contractors to use it, then it will state the reasons.

Those reasons, along with it being an official 'instruction', should be enough to get any tickets/invoices issued using ANPR systems dismissed by any appeals process or court.
A court may even state that no tickets/invoices issued through the use of such systems are valid, ending the use of ANPR systems.

nigelbb

edgex wrote: »

What I was getting at, is that if there was an official letter/instruction from the government to councils etc stating that they are not to use ANPR themselves, or allow their contractors to use it, then it will state the reasons.

Those reasons, along with it being an official 'instruction', should be enough to get any tickets/invoices issued using ANPR systems dismissed by any appeals process or court.
A court may even state that no tickets/invoices issued through the use of such systems are valid, ending the use of ANPR systems.

That link is to the letter written by the relevant government minister (Robert Goodwill) to all local councils reminding them that ANPR is not to be used.

nigelbb

TDA wrote: »

I believe there is a multi-storey one in High Wycombe.

There are several & High Wycombe council has been banned from access to DVLA data because the council is illegally trying to use ANPR & contract law to enforce parking charges.

bazster

edgex wrote: »

What I was getting at, is that if there was an official letter/instruction from the government to councils etc stating that they are not to use ANPR themselves, or allow their contractors to use it, then it will state the reasons.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/416617/operational-guidance.pdf

Paragraph 8.86 sets out the circumstances in which local authorities may carry out decriminalised parking enforcement by means of "approved devices" (i.e. cameras). These are:

• a bus lane;
• a bus stop clearway or bus stand clearway;
• a Keep Clear zig-zag area outside schools; or
• a red route.

And that's it.

Furthermore the government's letter to all local authorities dated 16/09/14 lays down that they may not take their car parks out of statutory control:

http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4512.0;attach=5128

Put these two things together and the upshot is that councils can't use ANPR in their car parks.

Wycombe Council arrogantly ignored all this with the result that they are no longer permitted to access vehicle keeper details from DVLA. In other words, their ANPR cameras now serve a purely decorative function despite the millions spent on them.

edgex

bazster wrote: »

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/416617/operational-guidance.pdf

Paragraph 8.86 sets out the circumstances in which local authorities may carry out decriminalised parking enforcement by means of "approved devices" (i.e. cameras). These are:

• a bus lane;
• a bus stop clearway or bus stand clearway;
• a Keep Clear zig-zag area outside schools; or
• a red route.

And that's it.

Furthermore the government's letter to all local authorities dated 16/09/14 lays down that they may not take their car parks out of statutory control:

http://notomob.co.uk/discussions/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4512.0;attach=5128

Put these two things together and the upshot is that councils can't use ANPR in their car parks.

Wycombe Council arrogantly ignored all this with the result that they are no longer permitted to access vehicle keeper details from DVLA. In other words, their ANPR cameras now serve a purely decorative function despite the millions spent on them.

thats all that I was able to find as well.

We have a letter from a minister reminding councils that they cant use ANPR etc in car parks, but not the why