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theoretica

Flyonthewall wrote: »

By Government standards C in Maths is perfectly acceptable for college.

Grade C is currently a national benchmark, but I suggested B because I feel if you are going to let someone test out of further classes it is worth aiming above 'acceptable' - merit rather than pass or distinction.

Flyonthewall

missbiggles1 wrote: »

I won't try to top your vast experience because it might embarrass both of us. :rotfl:

However, many schools don't let students onto their A level courses (not just Maths) without at least a B in the subject (because the outlook for those with only a C is so poor), many level 3 FE courses prefer students to have a grade B for subjects with a strong Maths content and most good universities will require more than a C in Maths if this is relevant to the course. That's without even starting on employers' requirements at graduate level.

In most cases, a grade C in Maths is a minimum requirement, not the pinnacle of achievement.

Prefer isn't the same thing as not accepted. I'm sure teachers would prefer all their students have A* GCSEs, doesn't mean they are.

I never said it was the pinnacle of achievement, that was never the point. The point is C is acceptable.

Some employers may wish for higher grades, but many will state C or higher in Maths and English.

missbiggles1 wrote: »

You do know that teachers are just as likely as parents to do all those things, don't you?:D

True, but teachers would be given books or guides or whatever on the subject. They should know all the right things, even if they don't do it themselves.

Flyonthewall

theoretica wrote: »

Grade C is currently a national benchmark, but I suggested B because I feel if you are going to let someone test out of further classes it is worth aiming above 'acceptable' - merit rather than pass or distinction.

There are many who would never achieve that level though and it would have to be as fair as possible. Aiming high is great, but for some D is very high, for others it's A*.

While Maths is useful and it would be great if everyone could get B or above it's never going to be the case. Helping people to get as high as they can is great, but as with other lessons we need to remember that everyone is different.

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Thread reported - some people are struggling to get their point across without repeatedly patronising = unnecessary

liney

Flyonthewall wrote: »

No, that's not what I said. All I was doing is pointing out your statement was wrong as they can spend more than they've got before 18.

I think it would help if they explained about finances so they don't just think borrowing money from anyone is fine, so they don't later get into debt and spend money they don't have, so they understand how to budget and how credit works etc.

Yeah, the parents who are, for example, £20K in debt, just bought a new car, can't live without SKY TV and the latest iphone, have little to no savings and will be going into overdraft to pay for the food shop that week are the perfect people to explain budgeting to their kid.

Yes, the parents should teach it. Yes, the parents should know how to budget. The fact is many parents don't know how to do it themselves though. Far too many people live a life they can not afford and we're constantly seeing proof of that.

So for that reason it's a good idea to talk about it in school. That way the next generation will know better and there's less chance of them just learning by how their parents are living.

I think you have the best intentions, but you are simply shifting responsibility from parents to teachers when actually they need to be taking more responsibility, not less.


I'd have no issue in running a budgeting class for parents but i'd hazard a guess that very few would turn up, to learn new skills to pass on to their children.

theoretica

Flyonthewall wrote: »

There are many who would never achieve that level though and it would have to be as fair as possible. Aiming high is great, but for some D is very high, for others it's A*.

While Maths is useful and it would be great if everyone could get B or above it's never going to be the case. Helping people to get as high as they can is great, but as with other lessons we need to remember that everyone is different.

Exactly - and part of being different is that some people need all the help and classes they can get on something and fairness is giving this to them.

Flyonthewall

missbiggles1 wrote: »

Sigh - perhaps I should've spelled it out....

When I said "prefer" I didn't mean it in the sense of they'd like this to be the case, I meant that they would give preference to offering places to those with a higher grade.

There are many courses and employers that state that a certain level is a minimum requirement, that doesn't mean that someone with that level of qualification has a hope in hell of being actually offered a place!

Maybe you should write it how you mean it then. If you mean give preference say so because prefer is very different.

A little off topic, but you've pointed out numerous things about (almost) all my posts and tried to put me down. Even in this post with "Sigh - perhaps I should've spelled it out...." like I'm too stupid to understand. Yet you seem to have trouble understand what remembering is, you keep spelling things the American way and, as above, you obviously didn't write what you meant otherwise there would have been no confusion.

I'm fine with having a debate, but there is no need for the constant remarks like that.

Flyonthewall

liney wrote: »

I think you have the best intentions, but you are simply shifting responsibility from parents to teachers when actually they need to be taking more responsibility, not less.

I'd have no issue in running a budgeting class for parents but i'd hazard a guess that very few would turn up, to learn new skills to pass on to their children.

I think between the two it guarantees every kid has a chance to learn that. For those that do have parents, yes they should take more responsibility.

Force everyone back to school, regardless of age, until every knows how to be an adult? :rotfl:

theoretica wrote: »

Exactly - and part of being different is that some people need all the help and classes they can get on something and fairness is giving this to them.

Yeah, but everyone has limits. We can - and should - give as much help as possible, but we have to accept that some people will reach their limit before the standard we've set and we should then help them in other ways if possible.

liney

Flyonthewall wrote: »

Force everyone back to school, regardless of age, until every knows how to be an adult? :rotfl:

Sounds good to me. Add a 'common sense' GCSE!

Flyonthewall

liney wrote: »

Sounds good to me. Add a 'common sense' GCSE!

I fear a lot of people would fail that... Wish it were a thing though, you could just ask for proof they passed and if they didn't you know to walk away because nothing good will come of that interaction lol.