Borrowing while on benefits. Is this allowed?

cattermole

blondebubbles wrote: »

Every single mother has chosen to be? Are you kidding?

No I am not persay but everyone choses to have a child you may or may not end up single. It is not a permanent state either is it? a) children grow up b) people may find a new partner if they chose.

It was in response to FBaby making the comparison to a disabled person.

I would not describe someone who is a widow as a "single" parent in the strictest sense of the word obviously they have become single but not through choice. Obviously that is why they get rightly so extra help with children

I have nothing against single parents what so ever but it is not a permanent state like the majority of disability is unless you are cured then you are no longer disabled. Which is why single parents are not a protected group.

People don't chose to be black, gays or disabled is the point which is not the same as chosing to be a parent single or otherwise.

FBaby

I have nothing against single parents what so ever but it is not a permanent state like the majority of disability is unless you are cured then you are no longer disabled

Many people claiming disability benefits are not expected to be disabled forever, hence why ESA and DLA/PIP not all awarded indefinitely.

As for choice of being a single parent, one could argue that some disable people are so also by choice, ie. those who are disabled because of COPD which is a result of smoking all their lives.

I don't think it is doing anyone justice to decide that one group is more deserving than another.

fed_up_and_stressed

custardy wrote: »

Right,so you quote my post.
Which branch are you putting me in?

Neither.
The "self styled forum police" was not regards you custardy. You haven't suggested what others can or can't post on here.

fed_up_and_stressed

FBaby wrote: »

Many people claiming disability benefits are not expected to be disabled forever, hence why ESA and DLA/PIP not all awarded indefinitely.

As for choice of being a single parent, one could argue that some disable people are so also by choice, ie. those who are disabled because of COPD which is a result of smoking all their lives.

I don't think it is doing anyone justice to decide that one group is more deserving than another.

Most disability benefits are awarded for set periods because there may be a change in condition. Its generally not as black or white as cure v no cure. Although obviously there are execeptions

northerntwo1

cattermole wrote: »

No I am not persay but everyone choses to have a child you may or may not end up single. It is not a permanent state either is it? a) children grow up b) people may find a new partner if they chose.

It was in response to FBaby making the comparison to a disabled person.

I would not describe someone who is a widow as a "single" parent in the strictest sense of the word obviously they have become single but not through choice. Obviously that is why they get rightly so extra help with children

I have nothing against single parents what so ever but it is not a permanent state like the majority of disability is unless you are cured then you are no longer disabled. Which is why single parents are not a protected group.

People don't chose to be black, gays or disabled is the point which is not the same as chosing to be a parent single or otherwise.

Why do you feel you speak for every disabled person. You do not speak for my, situation at all. I may be disabled but I'm not weak, vulnerable, benefit dependent nor am I treat unequal by anyone in society. I'm the same person now as I was before I developed RA and lost my mobility.

For your information as a DISABLED PERSON I have more control over my disability and ability to work than I have over being a single parent. If my better half wants to leave me then he will, that is something I cannot have any control over, whereas my disability I have some degree of control.

cattermole

FBaby wrote: »

Many people claiming disability benefits are not expected to be disabled forever, hence why ESA and DLA/PIP not all awarded indefinitely.

As for choice of being a single parent, one could argue that some disable people are so also by choice, ie. those who are disabled because of COPD which is a result of smoking all their lives.

I don't think it is doing anyone justice to decide that one group is more deserving than another.

A single parent who is healthy with a healthy child is not a protected group. They can lead a perfectly normal life with no hindrance to it apart from having a child to bring up on their own.

No one choses actively to become very disabled whether they smoke or not. Everything in life carries a risk it's a bit like saying you chose to have a child tough if it's disabled, because every pregnancy carries a higher risk than people think of giving birth to a child with some kind of disability. You made a bad choice when you overtook a car and ended up in a wheelchair as a result.

I strongly disagree with the term ESA for some people with profound disabilities it's part of what has caused the problem. Peddling the idea that every disabled person can work. That's not to say many can't given the right opportunities.

I think the very term ESA is highly discriminatory to some groups of disabled people. Unfortunately the circle I move in where they are all profoundly disabled and will never ever work.

The major flaw in Lord Freud's master plan and his complete lack of knowledge of really severe disability.

I have no time which may make you see me in a different light or not for example anyone getting DLA care who does not actually have care provided by someone or assistance in some way.

Employment support allowance to me is or should be for people who are off sick unable to work at the moment. Or who can work with support.

Incapacity benefit should have been kept for people who are truly incapacitated usually from birth or a very major illness or accident.

I do also believe the term "disability" has become far too broad in its use.

fed_up_and_stressed

cattermole wrote: »

Single mothers are not in a protected group neither are higher tax payers. They can work, their choice to be a single mother and if a higher rate tax payer then why should it be an issue to repair their house if they chose?

I very much doubt single mothers fleeing domestic violence feel they chose the situation !

cattermole

fed_up_and_stressed wrote: »

I very much doubt single mothers fleeing domestic violence feel they chose the situation !

You know full well I was using the term protected in the sense of discrimination law and that it is used in that way to describe specific protected groups..

Anyone fleeing any kind of violence should receive protection from said violence obviously!! Including men and children not just women.

cattermole

northerntwo1 wrote: »

Why do you feel you speak for every disabled person. You do not speak for my, situation at all. I may be disabled but I'm not weak, vulnerable, benefit dependent nor am I treat unequal by anyone in society. I'm the same person now as I was before I developed RA and lost my mobility.

For your information as a DISABLED PERSON I have more control over my disability and ability to work than I have over being a single parent. If my better half wants to leave me then he will, that is something I cannot have any control over, whereas my disability I have some degree of control.

I don't profess anything. However I very much doubt you made a choice to loose your mobility did you? Very few people with a severe disability find it very easy to exercise control over their work, great that you can.

If you husband left you it would be far easier to be a single parent if you didn't have a disability wouldn't it?

That is all I am saying.

cattermole

blondebubbles wrote: »

Maybe you should be clearer when posting rather than simply saying single parents choose to be.

Yes I should have made it more clear and qualified it more.