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ROMANIAN STRAYS:

Before I start posting pics of my Romanian dogs, Berry Bear and Noela, and little UK Millie, I thought I would give a little background on the situation in Romania with the stray dogs, that has taken over my life for the past two years

The situation is dreadful, I see horrors nearly every day on FB and in emails, but I also see heart lifting rescue stories too and that's what makes it all worthwhile

I CAN HONESTLY SAY, THAT THIS IS THE SANITISED VERSION OF WHAT GOES ON, BUT YOU WILL MAY FIND IT UPSETTING, SO DON'T READ IF THIS MAY DISTURB YOU

Stray dogs had long been a problem throughout Romania, but especially in the capitol Bucharest. In the communist era, people lived in a more rural lifestyle, with small holdings and kept dogs on their land. As the communist era ended, money poured into the country and huge areas of these dwellings were bulldozed to be replaced with vast appartment blocks, with nowhere to keep dogs, so they were abandoned and the number of strays grew and grew. Then a young boy was killed by stray dogs in Bucharest and those in power decided to bring in the killing law to curb the vast number of stray. This killing law was brought into practice in September 2013. The dogs were to be rounded up, taken to shelters, kept for 14 days and if not claimed, to be put down. It sounds quite reasonable, the city and other areas of Romania were inundated with strays and something did have to be done about them. Romania received millions of Euros from the EU to deal with the problem, choosing this method over the internationally recommended procedure of catch, neuter, and release which had been proven to work in other countries. But Romania is a corrupt country, and still retained many ways and people from from its communist past. Dogs meant money, from that vast pot of gold from the EU, and money was everything to them

So they set up ASPA (ironically the authority for the safety and protection of dogs but to us, the evil dog catchers) and they set their minds to catch the dogs in the most cruel ways. They would lay poison down for them to die in agony, but mostly they caught them with rods with metal noose. No training in the correct way of using the wires, they drag the screaming dogs along the ground, or even dangling in the air with the wire tight around their neck, throwing them into their expensive vans and taking them to public shelters which can only be described as death camps, where they would put too many in together without thought of size or sex of the dogs. Many fought, many were injured or died, lack of food and any good hygiene meant that many starved to death, and if they were ill or injured, they were not given treatment, access to the 'shelters' was restricted though some good people got together and did all they could to care for the dogs. And when the time came to put the dogs down, no kind injection to put them to sleep. Oh no, they kept the money allocated for that, as they had the money for their food, and killed them with injections of bleach or weed killer, or simply clubbed them to death. As it stands, sometimes hundreds of dogs 'disappear' overnight in these death camps, said to be put down but it would be impossible to do the number they kill in that time scale without the horrors I describe

I recall an image that will stay with me forever or about 50 dogs cramped into a crate, legs, noses, tails, sticking through the wire sides, that had been taken to a rubbish tip and dumped there, for the dogs to just die. The rescuer who followed them and took photos could only cry and scream for them to be helped but armed guards kept them away from the fence surrounding the area. Nothing they could do but post these images to make people aware of what was going on. It was this image that made me take up my placards and for the first but not the last time in my life. I demonstrated with others, outside Downing Street, in the rain .... but what else could we do, we had to speak for the voiceless

Very kind people do exist in Romania, though they are in the minority, and they do all they can to rescue and save as many as they can. Dogs are neutered and given all vaccinations and microchipped and when homes can be found for them outside of Romania, they travel to safety Germany, Holland, UK, etc. All done legally, with Pet Passports, through legal transport companies, subject to DEFRA rules. Often the rescuers are attacked or at least verbally abused for what they do, but they continue to do what they can for the sake of these animals. and if they take a dog out from a shelter, they are not allowed to do so without the dog being neutered first. Again, this sounds reasonable, but the 'vets' in these death camps are butchers and do not use any anaesthetics, they sometimes leave some parts inside, and use wire or fishing line to stitch the wounds up, and then put the dogs back in with the others where their wounds get infected. Many dogs have died as a result of this neutering or from complications that arise later. Some do not come through the operations

And the irony of it all, is that the Romanian courts determined last year that the boy said to be killed by stray dogs, had in fact wandered away from his drunken grandmother when she was supposed to be caring for him in a park, and wandered onto private property and was there attacked and killed by guard dogs. So the strays were not to blame And it has been proven in one town authority away from Bucharest that the method of catch, neuter and release works to drastically reduce the numbers of strays, but this method would not give the dog catchers they make now

3Dogs

Savvybuyer wrote: »

3Dogs, what are you doing awake at this time of night? (Thanking my post about the potatoes (thank you!:)) at near quarter to three!:laugh:)

Come to think of it, :eek:why am I here?:rotfl::rotfl:

It is really time to go now (as if in any way it was not before) - so, I'm straight off!!
See ya!:D:wave::wave:

I was typing the above post Savvy, but off to bed now

streetlights

Good morning everybody, I hope you are well and have a fabulous Monday.

Happy shopping.

elainemn

bubbs wrote: »

But when did you do first c and c last month 1st?

Good morning,
I did not do my first c&c until 17th October last month.

diluvsdiscounts

3Dogs wrote: »

ROMANIAN STRAYS:

Before I start posting pics of my Romanian dogs, Berry Bear and Noela, and little UK Millie, I thought I would give a little background on the situation in Romania with the stray dogs, that has taken over my life for the past two years

The situation is dreadful, I see horrors nearly every day on FB and in emails, but I also see heart lifting rescue stories too and that's what makes it all worthwhile

I CAN HONESTLY SAY, THAT THIS IS THE SANITISED VERSION OF WHAT GOES ON, BUT YOU WILL MAY FIND IT UPSETTING, SO DON'T READ IF THIS MAY DISTURB YOU

Stray dogs had long been a problem throughout Romania, but especially in the capitol Bucharest. In the communist era, people lived in a more rural lifestyle, with small holdings and kept dogs on their land. As the communist era ended, money poured into the country and huge areas of these dwellings were bulldozed to be replaced with vast appartment blocks, with nowhere to keep dogs, so they were abandoned and the number of strays grew and grew. Then a young boy was killed by stray dogs in Bucharest and those in power decided to bring in the killing law to curb the vast number of stray. This killing law was brought into practice in September 2013. The dogs were to be rounded up, taken to shelters, kept for 14 days and if not claimed, to be put down. It sounds quite reasonable, the city and other areas of Romania were inundated with strays and something did have to be done about them. Romania received millions of Euros from the EU to deal with the problem, choosing this method over the internationally recommended procedure of catch, neuter, and release which had been proven to work in other countries. But Romania is a corrupt country, and still retained many ways and people from from its communist past. Dogs meant money, from that vast pot of gold from the EU, and money was everything to them

So they set up ASPA (ironically the authority for the safety and protection of dogs but to us, the evil dog catchers) and they set their minds to catch the dogs in the most cruel ways. They would lay poison down for them to die in agony, but mostly they caught them with rods with metal noose. No training in the correct way of using the wires, they drag the screaming dogs along the ground, or even dangling in the air with the wire tight around their neck, throwing them into their expensive vans and taking them to public shelters which can only be described as death camps, where they would put too many in together without thought of size or sex of the dogs. Many fought, many were injured or died, lack of food and any good hygiene meant that many starved to death, and if they were ill or injured, they were not given treatment, access to the 'shelters' was restricted though some good people got together and did all they could to care for the dogs. And when the time came to put the dogs down, no kind injection to put them to sleep. Oh no, they kept the money allocated for that, as they had the money for their food, and killed them with injections of bleach or weed killer, or simply clubbed them to death. As it stands, sometimes hundreds of dogs 'disappear' overnight in these death camps, said to be put down but it would be impossible to do the number they kill in that time scale without the horrors I describe

I recall an image that will stay with me forever or about 50 dogs cramped into a crate, legs, noses, tails, sticking through the wire sides, that had been taken to a rubbish tip and dumped there, for the dogs to just die. The rescuer who followed them and took photos could only cry and scream for them to be helped but armed guards kept them away from the fence surrounding the area. Nothing they could do but post these images to make people aware of what was going on. It was this image that made me take up my placards and for the first but not the last time in my life. I demonstrated with others, outside Downing Street, in the rain .... but what else could we do, we had to speak for the voiceless

Very kind people do exist in Romania, though they are in the minority, and they do all they can to rescue and save as many as they can. Dogs are neutered and given all vaccinations and microchipped and when homes can be found for them outside of Romania, they travel to safety Germany, Holland, UK, etc. All done legally, with Pet Passports, through legal transport companies, subject to DEFRA rules. Often the rescuers are attacked or at least verbally abused for what they do, but they continue to do what they can for the sake of these animals. and if they take a dog out from a shelter, they are not allowed to do so without the dog being neutered first. Again, this sounds reasonable, but the 'vets' in these death camps are butchers and do not use any anaesthetics, they sometimes leave some parts inside, and use wire or fishing line to stitch the wounds up, and then put the dogs back in with the others where their wounds get infected. Many dogs have died as a result of this neutering or from complications that arise later. Some do not come through the operations

And the irony of it all, is that the Romanian courts determined last year that the boy said to be killed by stray dogs, had in fact wandered away from his drunken grandmother when she was supposed to be caring for him in a park, and wandered onto private property and was there attacked and killed by guard dogs. So the strays were not to blame And it has been proven in one town authority away from Bucharest that the method of catch, neuter and release works to drastically reduce the numbers of strays, but this method would not give the dog catchers they make now

It dumb founds me that things like this go on in 2015. It also dumb founds me that there are such wicked people in the world. I think what strikes me the most is that there are vets practising like that. Presumably they having gone through their training and must have cared for animals at one point in their lives.
Thank goodness there are people like you to help save them.

diluvsdiscounts

Good morning
I have had confirmation emails from both orders of the Amazon fizz and each order states case of 10 so I'm really hopeful.
Wow its foggy this morning:eek:

diluvsdiscounts

elainemn wrote: »

Good morning,
I did not do my first c&c until 17th October last month.

Thanks I don't think I'll risk it I need to wait until the 10th.

sarahskint

morning all,
been awol as kids have been off and we have been busy all wee - I don't think I will have the chance to sit on my backside until Wednesday!! Kids got to get up a bit earlier as our car has to go into Vauxhall this morning as we have a zafira - an excuse to use some m&s vouchers and my sparks card lol

Enterprise_1701C

Good morning all, foggy one here.

We've got 3 overhead cables to take down today to allow trees to be cut, and presumably we will be putting them back up again, could do without this fog when doing that, makes the ladder all slippery :eek:

Glad to see you are well ensconced back into the Hotel California (aka this thread) 3Dogs

tbear06

sarahskint wrote: »

morning all,
been awol as kids have been off and we have been busy all wee - I don't think I will have the chance to sit on my backside until Wednesday!! Kids got to get up a bit earlier as our car has to go into Vauxhall this morning as we have a zafira - an excuse to use some m&s vouchers and my sparks card lol

Morning all.
Sarah did you get a recall for the Zafira?