Tax Credits

Thrugelmir

mforr64 wrote: »

George Osborne was absolutely determined to push ahead with his ideology.

Unlike Corbyn he appears to listen and change his views. That's the sign of a good statesman. Politics is like a Company Board Meeting except that it's held in public. Views are expressed, discussed and compromises made. Very adult and grown up. Everyones view is respected and ultimately the majority decide on the policy approach to be taken. That's democracy in action.

michaels

dktreesea wrote: »

Yes, but not 90% eligible of all households with children (around 11 million or so). It's 90% eligible of all those entitled to tax credits, less than 4 million households with children. That's what I meant by Osborne being misleading. He's far too lightweight on the figures side to be a chancellor.

Read it again to the end - in 2010/11 76% of households with dependent children were claiming. In 13/14 90% of those eligible (now a much smaller number of households) were claiming. (The 11million households includes those without dependent children)

mforr64

Wotsthat. Fifty hours a week includes at least 10 hours of enforced O/T if you want to keep the job. Plus I am not expressing my O/H's views - only my own. As far as I'm aware he is not enamoured by his job. Only a few more years until retirement thankfully for him. Mark W's (mwpt) O/H works 50 hours as a teacher likewise does my partner who also works 50 hours - but he isn't a teacher. Anyway, off to do something more meaningful, marking my son's Physics GCSE past paper.

mwpt

mforr64 wrote: »

I suppose Mark W will try to analyse what I am saying like he did from my first post, actually thought he was being patronising as he knew nothing about me apart from the couple of sentences I wrote. BTW Mark W - my husband works 50 hours a week (unpaid OT - just like your partner) and we still get TC's - I earn over the current NMW too working in the community with families. Raising the NMW to £9 by 2020 would have done nothing for us.

Hi mforr64,

You're right, I don't know anything about you, I can only reply to what you post. That's reasonable isn't it? And I thought what you posted was illogical and mean spirited. You actually dislike George Osborne because of his views, rather than be cheerful that he listened to his public and changed his mind. I found that really silly and attempted to understand why you might act like that. I'm sorry if I misinterpret this but I see so much venom from the left (which is indirectly aimed at me) and have come to be jaded by it.

As far as I can tell, I have never met a benefit scrounger, these things don't seem to come up in conversation. So as far as I know they might as well be a fantasy species. But the figures for in work tax credits are fairly widely disseminated. Do you want me to say I feel sorry for people in unfortunate circumstances like yours? Because I truly do. But that doesn't change my right to be disgruntled with a system that rewards and incentivises a person doing less work than, for example, a teacher.

Further, why do I deserve to have my morals, integrity or motives questioned when I say I believe the system needs fixing?

CLAPTON

mforr64 wrote: »

Wotsthat. Fifty hours a week includes at least 10 hours of enforced O/T if you want to keep the job. Plus I am not expressing my O/H's views - only my own. As far as I'm aware he is not enamoured by his job. Only a few more years until retirement thankfully for him. Mark W's (mwpt) O/H works 50 hours as a teacher likewise does my partner who also works 50 hours - but he isn't a teacher. Anyway, off to do something more meaningful, marking my son's Physics GCSE past paper.

you could, if you wish, provide full details of your circumstances so you can illustrate the effect of proposed changes
or examples of how 'untold damage ' would have been caused.

gadgetmind

mwpt wrote: »

As far as I can tell, I have never met a benefit scrounger

Oh, I have, and it's not easy keeping your lip buttoned!

mforr64

CLAPTON - just back from marking my my son's paper.

I'm not being used for your "baiting" on here - so no I will not lay all my circumstances on here for to set the hounds on me. We don't get much in CT as both of us work & have 2 kids so as you should know the threshold is £32,600. We are near the limit and in two years time when the first child finishes his A Levels then we will no longer be in the system. Another clue is that we pay more income tax than we receive in credits.

The damage is in the future for the next generations. We would have got the student maintenance grants. That won't happen now - so whatever I get at the moment I will gratefully receive.

CLAPTON

mforr64 wrote: »

CLAPTON - just back from marking my my son's paper.

I'm not being used for your "baiting" on here - so no I will not lay all my circumstances on here for to set the hounds on me. We don't get much in CT as both of us work & have 2 kids so as you should know the threshold is £32,600. We are near the limit and in two years time when the first child finishes his A Levels then we will no longer be in the system. Another clue is that we pay more income tax than we receive in credits.

The damage is in the future for the next generations. We would have got the student maintenance grants. That won't happen now - so whatever I get at the moment I will gratefully receive.

sorry you feel like that but it is your choice.

but it is both interesting and informative to hear about real situations rather than rumour and hearsay

without any details it difficult to either agree or disagree about damage to future generation

hope your son is doing well with his physics

martinsurrey

mforr64 wrote: »

CLAPTON - just back from marking my my son's paper.

I'm not being used for your "baiting" on here - so no I will not lay all my circumstances on here for to set the hounds on me. We don't get much in CT as both of us work & have 2 kids so as you should know the threshold is £32,600. We are near the limit and in two years time when the first child finishes his A Levels then we will no longer be in the system. Another clue is that we pay more income tax than we receive in credits.

The damage is in the future for the next generations. We would have got the student maintenance grants. That won't happen now - so whatever I get at the moment I will gratefully receive.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_368612.pdf

With an income of near £32k + tax credits + child benefit your household income is above median for the UK.

any welfare system that thinks it needs to support anyone in the top 50% is a bit beyond me...

gadgetmind

Poverty innit!