Britain and the EU

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

How much worse would their job security have been had the international companies basing their EU Single Market facilities there pulled out?

Very substantial numbers of jobs in the UK are reliant upon companies basing their facilities and HQ's within the single market, and choosing the UK to do so.

If the UK is no longer in the single market, many of them will leave, taking jobs with them.

you mean the companies that refuse to do business with Aus, New Zealand, S Korea, Vietnam, South American countries, Canada, USA, SE ASia, China, African countries,Gulf states and many others?


you have no information about which companies, if any, would leave the UK nor do you have any information which companies would choose to come here because of our free trade approach compared with the bureacratic dead hand of the EU.

leveller2911

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Pays roughly as much per person to trade with the EU as we do, has to participate in the free movement of people to do it, has to comply with all the red tape of EU regulations for business, and gets no say whatsoever in setting those rules and regulations.

Are you sure you want to use them as an example?

Yes ,why not ?...........Norway exports far more to the EU per capita than the UK does , its something like 5x more. So in fact we pay far more as a whole than Norway does and they export far more to the EU than we do per capita.
Regarding "having no say whatsoever in making the rules" then I would draw your attention to the fact that the UK has only 8.4% of the voting power within the EU. Once Croatia and Turkey (Turkey will be allowed to join in the future) the UK will have even less voting power.

The UK currently has 73 MEP's out of a current total of 751 so I'm at a loss as to where our "voting power" will increase anytime soon. The truth is we have very little "power" to influence policy.

Norway seems like a good example of a country that is doing fine outside ..

uncreative

The sooner we all sign up to a single global government, a single global currency and adopt a strategy as human beings of space exploration and scientific advancement the better.

Has no one seen Star Trek: The Next Generation? Talk about a blueprint for Utopia right there staring us in the face.

zagubov

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

How much worse would their job security have been had the international companies basing their EU Single Market facilities there pulled out?

Very substantial numbers of jobs in the UK are reliant upon companies basing their facilities and HQ's within the single market, and choosing the UK to do so.

If the UK is no longer in the single market, many of them will leave, taking jobs with them.

Yes, lets make our most important political decisions to suit carpetbaggers.:)

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

leveller2911 wrote: »

Norway seems like a good example of a country that is doing fine outside ..

So like Norway then, we should keep free movement of labour, pay pretty much the same to the EU as we do today, keep all the rules and regulations around trade....

Remind me again, what's the point in leaving?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Graham_Devon wrote: »

we hear it....we very rarely see it.

Because governments haven't been stupid enough to actually do anything that would cause it.

If as a company you have decided that your European HQ or manufacturing facility needs to be inside the single market, and have then selected the UK as the most attractive place that is within the single market to locate, and then the UK leaves the single market.....

It's blatantly obvious to everyone that those facilities will have to be relocated to another country that is, you guessed it, still within the single market.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

zagubov wrote: »

Yes, lets make our most important political decisions to suit carpetbaggers.:)

Nah, lets all just live in a world of fantasy and delusion that you can leave a political and economic union and suffer absolutely no adverse effects ever.

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Because governments haven't been stupid enough to actually do anything that would cause it..

Actually, they have.

The 50p rate of tax was introduced. Apparently this would mean all the top bankers leaving and the banks having to leave with them.

The living wage IS being introduced. I've seen lots of companies moan. I've seen a couple of companies state they may go elsewhere. I've seen no action as yet.

The bank levy was also introduced.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Because governments haven't been stupid enough to actually do anything that would cause it.

If as a company you have decided that your European HQ or manufacturing facility needs to be inside the single market, and have then selected the UK as the most attractive place that is within the single market to locate, and then the UK leaves the single market.....

It's blatantly obvious to everyone that those facilities will have to be relocated to another country that is, you guessed it, still within the single market.

why would a company make such a stupid decision?


they would look at what profit would accrue from their decision and the associated risks, political stability, good goverance etc etc


which companies have chosen the UK to the exclusion of all other EU countries?

leveller2911

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

So like Norway then, we should keep free movement of labour, pay pretty much the same to the EU as we do today, keep all the rules and regulations around trade....

Remind me again, what's the point in leaving?

No I don't believe free movement of labour was ever a good idea and should be stopped. Given that we will also have a few million Syrians,Afgans,Nigerians,Eritreans etc etc etc etc moving to the EU and then possibly onwards to the UK (if they claim citizenship) we need to stop the free movement of labour. Next thing you'll be telling us they will all be qualified doctors,engineers,scientists etc, won't need benefits, won't be a drain on social services etc and will be net contributors to the economy.

Norway actually pays around 340 million Euros a year to the EU and we pay £18.4 billion so hardly the same is it.....Norway does indeed abide by most of the trade regulations but Hamish life isn't all about trade is it. You seem to have a fixation with trade/business and theres far more to life than business.

Next thing you will bring out that old chestnut that the EU has been responsible for the peace in Europe since 1945.....