Britain and the EU

leveller2911

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

In other words you're quite happy to sacrifice the prosperity of the country and it's people for a country with fewer immigrants.

No I'm not Hamish , I want a prosperous UK ,one that is happy to welcome people from all over the world along with their cultures (as long as they respect and live with ours) .

What I don't want is the added pressures on our services that the huge influx of low skilled EU migrants have been imposed on us. I do not believe the UK can accept 10,000's of refugees either. I've been to enough places around the world to appreciate cultures and the diverse people so don't even think of playing the race card with me...

The UK should have the confidence to go out and do business on the world stage rather than leave the trade agreements to the EU. Remind me Hamish what is the current UK voting power within the EU?. You have the naivety of a schoolboy if you think the UK has real influence within the EU.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

You think it's a stupid decision to base an EU manufacturing or HQ facility for the single market, within the single market, or you think it's stupid to move your facility that you have decided needs to be within the single market back into the single market if it suddenly became outside the single market.

Is there something about the advantages of locating within the single market that you don't understand?

I think it appropriate to make business decisions on the facts and indeed upon the likely profits taking into consideration riskes factors etc.


Only a total moron would decide a priori without considering the profit.


The UK is both an importer and an exporter
The EU is a huge bureacratic restrictive corrupt entity (no worse than many but not particularly better either) which stifle enterprise.


No it isn't all one way and the pro and cons are not calculable but based on guesses and assumptions.


Just listening to Rose on the TV : clearly says he will only be putting one side of the argument :


The whole world is moving towards freer trade and not bureacratic rules and regulations.

Graham_Devon

leveller2911 wrote: »

Patronising after just a few posts......Must be a record for you.

Credit where credit is due though - he did post two consecutive posts without labeling people as racists

michaels

Anyone notice that despite not their not being in the EU or EFTA or EEA we are able to buy goods made in the US, Japan, China, Korea, etc etc and yet it seems to be being stated that should we leave the EU we will no longer be able to sell into European markets. Perhaps someone could explain this to me?

Graham_Devon

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Nah, lets all just live in a world of fantasy and delusion that you can leave a political and economic union and suffer absolutely no adverse effects ever.

No one is suggesting there will be no adverse effects - certainly not on here.

What I am at least doing is simply asking you to lay them out.....but asking you to lay those effects out ignoring business...that's been done over and over and I accept it can disadvantage some business, especially the larger business.

I'm interested in what will disadvantage the normal average joe going about their everyday life. These people, afterall, are the ones with the votes. Business itself doesn't get a vote.

Graham_Devon

michaels wrote: »

Anyone notice that despite not their not being in the EU or EFTA or EEA we are able to buy goods made in the US, Japan, China, Korea, etc etc and yet it seems to be being stated that should we leave the EU we will no longer be able to sell into European markets. Perhaps someone could explain this to me?

Technically, without setting up other arrangements to replace the ones we have, we wouldn't be able to sell into the EU.

But that's all it is, a technicality.

It's nothing that cannot be overcome or hasn't been overcome by nations all over the world.

It's a bit like suggesting if you import a Japanese car, you won't be able to drive it legally in the UK. Technically, that's completely true.

But what you'd expect someone to tell you (unless they are being obstructive) is you can drive it in the UK, you just have to go through the process of registering it here.

Generali

michaels wrote: »

Anyone notice that despite not their not being in the EU or EFTA or EEA we are able to buy goods made in the US, Japan, China, Korea, etc etc and yet it seems to be being stated that should we leave the EU we will no longer be able to sell into European markets. Perhaps someone could explain this to me?

The UK would still be able to sell into the EU once tariffs had been paid.

Look at the different ways prices of solar panels have gone in Aus and the UK as stated on the solar thread. The difference? The EU wants to protect its solar industry.

zagubov

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

It's a pretty big 'thing' for millions of people.


"Norway"
Pays roughly as much per person to trade with the EU as we do, has to participate in the free movement of people to do it, has to comply with all the red tape of EU regulations for business, and gets no say whatsoever in setting those rules and regulations.

Are you sure you want to use them as an example?

That might be a bargain considering the difference in per capita income.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Because governments haven't been stupid enough to actually do anything that would cause it.

If as a company you have decided that your European HQ or manufacturing facility needs to be inside the single market, and have then selected the UK as the most attractive place that is within the single market to locate, and then the UK leaves the single market.....

It's blatantly obvious to everyone that those facilities will have to be relocated to another country that is, you guessed it, still within the single market.

The EEA is a single market.
So, what's the problem?

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

That might be a bargain considering the difference in per capita income.

The EEA is a single market.
So, what's the problem?

If the UK leaves the EU and joins the EEA then you can wave goodbye to the City. That's 5+% of GDP and probably a fair bit more than that in tax revenues down the Swanee for a start.

That, of course, is assuming that the UK can join the EEA.

As with Scotland leaving the UK, the UK cannot expect any sweetheart deals if they leave the EU. The knives will be out to stab the UK in the back. There is zero chance that the EU is going to encourage separatism.

Mistermeaner

My main concern with leaving is the terms that can then be agreed for the relationship that follows; not so much from spite but to prevent others doing the same I can't see the eu being particularly accommodating to our exit demands.

That said as per post no1 a but 3 of the eu countries are more reliant on our trade than we are on theirs (from a trade balance perspective) so there's damage to be done on both sides.