VW fiddling emissions data

dannyrst

neilmcl wrote: »

Oh no they wont! (as we're in panto season ) With or without the "cheat device" no affected car will fail the current UK MOT test for NOx emissions.

The device was there purely to beat much stricter US EPA emissions tests in a lab environment.

I've already proved either in this thread or another that the values emitted without the cheat device are far above the legal values for the EU at the time the engines were produced, so they would have failed the emissions testing by the EU as well as USA.

If the car is already on the road, why would you recall it to remove the cheat device? It isn't going to be used again because emissions aren't re-tested after a car sells, other than MOT (but the cheat device only activates when two wheels are turning along with other factors, as it realises it is on a rolling road). So the MOT will not be affected in any way.

buglawton

I strongly suspect that VW will feed their customers BS until the last minute. My bet is still on much reduced performance after the software 'fix'.

Don't forget to catch up on this eye-popping documentary, folks:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b06q6nh2/panorama-the-vw-emissions-scandal

dannyrst

The recall will have "negligible effect" on customer cars, too, with Mueller adding owners "won't be able to feel it."

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/92893/vw-emissions-scandal-recalls-compensation-is-your-car-affected-latest-news

That to me reads as though there will be a change to performance but they are banking on the majority of people not noticing.

neilmcl

dannyrst wrote: »

If the car is already on the road, why would you recall it to remove the cheat device?

Because they've probably been told in no uncertain terms that this is what they must do, not to mention they wouldn't really want any traces of this hugely embarrassing situation left tied to any of their vehicles.

dannyrst

neilmcl wrote: »

Because they've probably been told in no uncertain terms that this is what they must do, not to mention they wouldn't really want any traces of this hugely embarrassing situation left tied to any of their vehicles.

For what purpose would someone tell them to remove it though? If someone wanted to make a copy, they have had plenty of time.

And as for traces of it...I'm pretty sure the media has ensured this will stick with VW for a very long time to come.

buglawton

So, VW has a fix in the wings that:
1. Will affect performance so little that you will hardly notice it
2. Will pass MOT to EU norms for the car's age
3. Will not worsen CO2 so as to push the car into the next tax (VED) bracket
4. Will not need retrofitting of urea injection

Wow, that means that VW will have achieved a breakthrough in automotive tech that the whole industry will envy!

I think it will be a kludge, at a bare minimum (3) will be violated but the UK govt will give VW a special pass on it so existing owners are not slammed with a higher VED category.

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dannyrst wrote: »

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/92893/vw-emissions-scandal-recalls-compensation-is-your-car-affected-latest-news

That to me reads as though there will be a change to performance but they are banking on the majority of people not noticing.

Hope not, the wife's Golf Bluemotion is already as slow is !!!!. So much so that my 3cyl VW Fox is way nicer to drive... Not kidding

bod1467

jeepjunkie wrote: »

Hope not, the wife's Golf Bluemotion is already as slow is !!!!. So much so that my 3cyl VW Fox is way nicer to drive... Not kidding

What engine size? I have the 2.0l TDi Bluemotion at 140PS (Golf GT) and it is plenty quick enough.

Strider590

My understanding is that the car will just require more frequent topping up of DPF fluid (AdBlue).

bigjl

Strider590 wrote: »

My understanding is that the car will just require more frequent topping up of DPF fluid (AdBlue).

Lots of the VW vehicles concerned were manufactured before AdBlue was introduced.

With the small amount of reading I did on this subject it would appear that non AdBlue vehicles are the problem.