14 day NIP/Summons rule?

Stoke

Hello,

So, I know this will be a marmite thread, but there we go.

I ran a red light nearly 2 weeks ago and was caught by an unmarked beamer. No argument. I accepted on the side of the road that I was in the wrong. They took my details, give me a slip, told me within a couple of days I would receive a letter explaining their course of action.

Such letter is yet to come. Does the 14 day rule apply here? I assume I've been given the NIP already, so the 14 day rule does not apply. Is it 6 months then or not?

For the pious and self-righteous, I'm not in the business of avoiding blame, but as far as funding the police christmas party goes, I'm quite happy to avoid it if possible and feel no obligation to pay, especially considering the way the police have handled incidents in the past. I will pay, however, if the necessary papers turn up.

Quentin

You are correct (no 14 day rule) and 6 months + a few days to hear from court

Stoke

Quentin wrote: »

You are correct (no 14 day rule) and 6 months + a few days to hear from court

I assume I'll receive either a course or 3 points. Oh well.

TonyMMM

You may hear nothing for quite a while and then it will be an offer of a course,an FPN or a court summons (depending on how serious the offence was deemed to be).

The fines/funds go to central government, not the police so you needn't worry about their party funding.

Stoke

TonyMMM wrote: »

You may hear nothing for quite a while and then it will be an offer of a course,an FPN or a court summons (depending on how serious the offence was deemed to be).

The fines/funds go to central government, not the police so you needn't worry about their party funding.

Wow, they can give people a court summons for running a red light. Don't get me wrong, I shouldn't have done it, but it was absolutely rodding it down and I was (admittedly) driving a little a bit on the quick side for the weather and I saw the light late. I was probably half a second to a second after the lights went red. It was hardly a red light for a minute and i got bored of waiting scenario.

With that in mind, I was assuming it'd be three points or a course?

TadleyBaggie

Often depends on how far into red it was. If it was 1-2 seconds then a fixed penalty or course is likely, >2 seconds then a summons becomes more likely. British Transport Police used to summons everyone who ran a red light at a level crossing, but lately seem to be going down the fixed penalty route as well.

TonyMMM

Even if it goes to court , it will still be 3pts, just the fine and costs will be bigger.

The outcome ( when cameras are used) is usally decided on "time into red" - i.e. how long the light had been red when you crossed.

With a police witnessed event it will depend on how they wrote up the incident, if it had only just gone red as you claim then a course or FPN is most likely - you just have to wait and see.

Bear in mind it is also technically an offence to go through on amber ( albeit with a defence if it was unsafe to stop).

Stoke

TonyMMM wrote: »

Even if it goes to court , it will still be 3pts, just the fine and costs will be bigger.

The outcome ( when cameras are used) is usally decided on "time into red" - i.e. how long the light had been red when you crossed.

With a police witnessed event it will depend on how they wrote up the incident, if it had only just gone red as you claim then a course or FPN is most likely - you just have to wait and see.

Bear in mind it is also technically an offence to go through on amber ( albeit with a defence if it was unsafe to stop).

I'd say it'd had been red for no longer than a second. Probably less. The unmarked vehicle was quite a long distance behind me, but they told me it was caught on their dashcam (which they had running in front of me), so I assume this evidence will also be used in judging my conviction. The officer asked why I ran the red light and I explained that the weather had turned very bad (something he acknowledged) and I was checking my mirrors and caught the red light late (the road is a 50mph road). I said that I was sorry, that I wasn't going to contest it and that my only recourse was due to the weather I didn't feel safe slamming the brakes on. Next time I will, even if my car ends up sideways eh?

I will see what happens I guess.

TonyMMM

Stoke wrote: »

I'd say it'd had been red for no longer than a second. Probably less. The unmarked vehicle was quite a long distance behind me, but they told me it was caught on their dashcam (which they had running in front of me), so I assume this evidence will also be used in judging my conviction. The officer asked why I ran the red light and I explained that the weather had turned very bad (something he acknowledged) and I was checking my mirrors and caught the red light late (the road is a 50mph road). I said that I was sorry, that I wasn't going to contest it and that my only recourse was due to the weather I didn't feel safe slamming the brakes on. Next time I will, even if my car ends up sideways eh?

I will see what happens I guess.

Amber is lit for 3 seconds, plus a second on red - at 50mph you would have been about 100m away from the lights when they changed to amber , suggesting you couldn't stop in that distance without losing control is going to sound a bit lame (if it does go to court).

DUTR

Stoke wrote: »

I'd say it'd had been red for no longer than a second. Probably less. The unmarked vehicle was quite a long distance behind me, but they told me it was caught on their dashcam (which they had running in front of me), so I assume this evidence will also be used in judging my conviction. The officer asked why I ran the red light and I explained that the weather had turned very bad (something he acknowledged) and I was checking my mirrors and caught the red light late (the road is a 50mph road). I said that I was sorry, that I wasn't going to contest it and that my only recourse was due to the weather I didn't feel safe slamming the brakes on. Next time I will, even if my car ends up sideways eh?

I will see what happens I guess.

For me, if I'm driving along a straight road and the lights are on green , then I proceed with caution as I'm expecting them to change at some point.

Stoke

TonyMMM wrote: »

Amber is lit for 3 seconds, plus a second on red - at 50mph you would have been about 100m away from the lights when they changed to amber , suggesting you couldn't stop in that distance without losing control is going to sound a bit lame (if it does go to court).

As I said, I was checking my mirrors come off the exit, because it's quite a dangerous road at the best of times. Plenty of collisions on there. The lights are on the roundabout. I checked my rear view mirror and my left mirror, because people also tend to undertake on that exit. I look back and the lights were just switching from amber to red. Either way, what's done is done.

Thanks for the help. I will be moving house soon, I assume I need to alert them so they can send the summons elsewhere?