Queueing etiquette

pendragon_arther

iammumtoone wrote: »

The way I read the above is that the OP was not wanting go get into a confrontation with the man as he was young, fit and black. I read that he was assuming that being black (as well as young and fit) the man would have won the fight. This to me read as he was stereotyping the man due to his colour. That is what I objected to.

Maybe I read the post wrong it is clear that others did not read it that way.

I do think I should not have posted, not because of what I said, I sand by that (although maybe it did come across a bit harsh) but it has detracted from the point of the thread which is whether the man was in the wrong regardless of colour.

Well I have to let you know that different cultures have different skills and Africans are completely at one with their bodies and are physically strong as well as having extremely good stamina. Yes, that is stereotyping but then I'm quite informed. My second-born Kenyan son Kehenya, from the Kikuyu tribe, is not particularly muscley but very very strong. Also we built a four bedroomed house in Kisumu overlooking Lake Victoria and the fundis (skilled artisans) and labourers could work in 30c sun all day for ten hours with just a short break. Plus just look at which boxers are more prominent in the sport and see their skin colour. No, this isn't being racist to those who would use their PC guilt-ridden complexes to start attacking, this is fact.

iammumtoone

pendragon_arther wrote: »

Well I have to let you know that different cultures have different skills and Africans are completely at one with their bodies and are physically strong as well as having extremely good stamina. Yes, that is stereotyping but then I'm quite informed. My second-born Kenyan son Kehenya, from the Kikuyu tribe, is not particularly muscley but very very strong. Also we built a four bedroomed house in Kisumu overlooking Lake Victoria and the fundis (skilled artisans) and labourers could work in 30c sun all day for ten hours with just a short break. Plus just look at which boxers are more prominent in the sport and see their skin colour. No, this isn't being racist to those who would use their PC guilt-ridden complexes to start attacking, this is fact.

Fair comment I take your point.

Personally if I was challenged by a young fit man would I be scared yes, would I be more scared if they were black, no.

Pollycat

mr_fishbulb wrote: »

Problem is he wasn't sat in the post office resting his legs, he was out in another shop getting another task done.

He wasn't out in another shop, he was in the same shop but at a different counter.

Inigo_Montoya wrote: »

About a minute or so later the owner of the pram who had been getting served at the nearby local shop counter (post office & shop all in the same building) said I should rejoin the queue behind him

I doubt this place is the same size as a Tesco Extra so unlikely for this guy to be much more than a few yards away so it wouldn't be like leaving the pram at the pizza-making station whilst he queued at the fish counter.

I don't understand all the fuss and palaver racist comments, tbh.

I didn't see anything wrong in the OP's description.

mr_fishbulb

Pollycat wrote: »

He wasn't out in another shop, he was in the same shop but at a different counter.

I doubt this place is the same size as a Tesco Extra so unlikely for this guy to be much more than a few yards away so it wouldn't be like leaving the pram at the pizza-making station whilst he queued at the fish counter.

I don't understand all the fuss and palaver racist comments, tbh.

I didn't see anything wrong in the OP's description.

I took the shop and the post office in the same building to mean it was a sort of shopping mall.

One analogy that popped into my head was, if I went to Alton towers, could I put my umbrella in one queue my rucksack in another, and my top hat in a third, and then expect to be able to pick up where my parinfinalier had held my spot in the queues after I'd ridden the tea cups?

iammumtoone

I have to say I now think I was wrong and apologise to the OP.

However many times I re-read the OP, I still interpret it the way I have stated above, I can't change how I read things it is just how I am. And whatever people have said I still personally believe it to be irrelevant information but I did go over the top and am sorry to the OP for that.

Nobody else seems to have read it the same way as me so that must mean that I am the one in the wrong as it is apparent that I am the only one that read it that way. I have also read some comments on another thread which has lead me to this conclusion.

So once again sorry (and I hope you are still reading to see this)

NBLondon

mr_fishbulb wrote: »

One analogy that popped into my head was, if I went to Alton towers, could I put my umbrella in one queue my rucksack in another, and my top hat in a third, and then expect to be able to pick up where my parinfinalier had held my spot in the queues after I'd ridden the tea cups?

That would be a bit iffy - no matter what the paraphernalia... Now what about if you went with 3 kids, left one in each queue and the first one to get to the front texts you all to come and join him/her? That way you don't have to guess which queue moves the fastest.


As for the OP - the guy with the pram sounds like a chancer... Surely a parent in a rush would have turned to the next person in the queue and said "I've just realised I've got to dash over there - would you hold my place and watch young Qwerty here for a couple of minutes". But deciding to use the pram and kid to avoid 2 lots of queuing is taking advantage.


Same sort of person gets to the checkout in a supermarket, leaves their trolley there and goes off to get a load more stuff. OK - everybody forgets one thing now and then and runs for it - but some take ten minutes, then come back with 2 more family members and another basket load. That's extracting the human fluid waste product in my book.

FormulaDriven

iammumtoone - while I think your reaction was extreme (you could have just asked whether the OP intended to mean anything derogatory in mentioning skin colour rather than immediately assuming the worst), I think you are right to say what the OP said does jar a bit.


Here's what he said: (young fit looking black guy so probably would have got the better of me anyway).

The way it is phrased, it suggests that the OP took the youth, fitness and skin colour of the other person as increasing the likeliness that he would have fought the OP and won. That would be racial stereotyping and so open to the accusation of racism, but as I said it's fair to let the OP explain if that's what he intended to mean, before everyone gets too upset.

FormulaDriven

And reading what the OP said subsequently, he suggests that he wasn't being racist. But he also says this:


Anyhow a persons race/background/culture etc... *does* have a bearing on the issue as people from different cultures may have very different views on what is & is not acceptable when it comes to queueing


So he is suggesting that race played a part in his judgement of how the other person would behave and that the judgement was around different cultural expectations around queueing. However, his original post implied the race was used in forming a judgement of whether the other person would beat him up! Does anyone see any racism there?

Azari

FormulaDriven wrote: »

And reading what the OP said subsequently, he suggests that he wasn't being racist. But he also says this:


Anyhow a persons race/background/culture etc... *does* have a bearing on the issue as people from different cultures may have very different views on what is & is not acceptable when it comes to queueing


So he is suggesting that race played a part in his judgement of how the other person would behave and that the judgement was around different cultural expectations around queueing. However, his original post implied the race was used in forming a judgement of whether the other person would beat him up! Does anyone see any racism there?

Not really.

He was attacked and, one of the things he mentioned was that different cultures view queuing differently. I don't think that was specifically related to this case.

It's not racist to appreciate that people from other cultures might view things differently. (Of course, making a default assumption that a black person is obviously from another culture might well be validly deemed racist.)

It is all part of being tolerant in a multi-cultural environment.

daytona0

FormulaDriven wrote: »

And reading what the OP said subsequently, he suggests that he wasn't being racist. But he also says this:


Anyhow a persons race/background/culture etc... *does* have a bearing on the issue as people from different cultures may have very different views on what is & is not acceptable when it comes to queueing


So he is suggesting that race played a part in his judgement of how the other person would behave and that the judgement was around different cultural expectations around queueing. However, his original post implied the race was used in forming a judgement of whether the other person would beat him up! Does anyone see any racism there?

Even I can't be bothered making a meal out of the fact that OP pointed out that someone was black :rotfl:

I saw some genuine racism in a store the other day... a black cashier was encouraged to go back to "swinging in the trees, you monkey man" and the trollop of a 'woman' proceeded to visibly cringe when the cashier handed over items/cash. THAT is vile racism right there.

I'm not inclined to even argue the point with you because you are simply guessing at what the OP meant in the posts. With the lack of concrete evidence I am inclined to think OP is innocent until proven guilty. Remember, it isn't a crime to say that a black person is black!