Bought set of used alloys which have brand new Chinese tyres

motorguy

Joe_Horner wrote: »

So, the non-ducking answer to your question is: Both of the above because I'm not planning to crash it.

Is an accident by its very definition, something that is unplanned?

motorguy

Joe_Horner wrote: »

The Perodoua is a very safe car by comparison.

So your basis for being happy with ditch finders is that cars are safer than they were 50 years ago, even though there are probably x5 the cars on the road, cars are faster and people are more insulated from indications of road conditions?

AdrianC

I can safely say I don't think I'd even heard of this little Malaysian car named after an ice cream until this thread... but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeEF379XRWQ
Just watch that upper seat belt mount in the interior shots. The entire B-pillar on the non-impact side is pulled out of shape by the belt.

motorguy

AdrianC wrote: »

I can safely say I don't think I'd even heard of this little Malaysian car named after an ice cream until this thread... but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeEF379XRWQ
Just watch that upper seat belt mount in the interior shots. The entire B-pillar on the non-impact side is pulled out of shape by the belt.

Why worry, just never plan to have an accident and you wont have a problem.

AdrianC

Indeed. And that's an offset deformable barrier at 64kph - 40mph.

Gawd knows what that pillar - and thereby belt - would do in a more serious impact.

Still, it's passed the rigorous tests needed to be on sale, right?

motorguy

AdrianC wrote: »

I can safely say I don't think I'd even heard of this little Malaysian car named after an ice cream until this thread... but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeEF379XRWQ
Just watch that upper seat belt mount in the interior shots. The entire B-pillar on the non-impact side is pulled out of shape by the belt.

I also notice that the video clip is called "Top 10 worst crash tests"

This is very obviously skewed against the Perudua Nippa. If you compared the Nippa to say a 1960s mini it would fare quite well.

Also, the Perudua in question isnt the exact model of the one in the test, therefore the UK Perudua could possibly fair better

And dont forget, these are tests done in laboratory conditions, in the real world the outcome could be completely different and the Perudua could be quite good.

Also if you drive the Perudua very slowly and stay 300 metres away from every other car, i think you'll find its actually safer than other cars driven erraticaly on the road.

All in all, i think this clearly shows the Perudua Nippa is actually a very safe car to be in in an accident.

motorguy

AdrianC wrote: »

Still, it's passed the rigorous tests needed to be on sale, right?

Indeed. Its completely safe.

Its a well know fact that all cars are built to exactly the same standard - its just that some manufacturers take a bigger margins.

Joe_Horner

motorguy wrote: »

So your basis for being happy with ditch finders is that cars are safer than they were 50 years ago, even though there are probably x5 the cars on the road, cars are faster and people are more insulated from indications of road conditions?

No, that's completely distorting my point by ignoring the fact (which I clearly mentioned) that I've spent 10 years or so driving those 40 - 50 year old cars as daily transport in modern traffic conditions. the probably 5x as many cars etc and the allegedly faster speeds applied just as much to me for those 10 years as they did to anyone else.

Despite that, I tended to keep up just fine with traffic, didn't fall off the road even with cheap 155/13 tyres on skinny little drum braked wheels, and didn't die any horrible deaths.

What I did do was anticipate and avoid plenty of idiotic actions by those 5x as many (frankly pretty poor) drivers who were feeling safely cocooned in their invulnerable boxes. And I did that without drama and without even once having to test my brakes, tyres or handling to anything near their limits.


eta: Since you sarcastically brought in "driving very slowly" in a later post, used to sit regularly at between 65 and 70 on dual carriageways / motorways in the Dafs for hours at a time - in the Triumph it was usually between 70 and 80 because it could. Best Daf run was from Anglesey to Colchester in 7 hrs 5 mins including taking the A5 as far as Brum.

So no, not driving "very slowly". Just being alert and not carrying excuses in my head before anything even happened.

Iceweasel

Joe - I can only congratulate you on your accident and incident free motoring history.

I don't want to detract from your obvious high anticipatory style of driving - but their has to be an element of good luck in there somewhere too.

I don't plan on having any accidents any more than you but
I have had one or two incidents over the last 50 years of driving where there was just no way that I could have anticipated what was about to happen.

Here's just one that i can remember clearly.

Driving south on the M6 in heavy rain a wheel came off a large van on the opposite carriageway - it hit the centre reservation and bounced high in the air then landed on my side of the motorway.

I braked hard and swerved to the left on to the hard shoulder, narrowly missing it, but I came to a controlled stop.

Looking back I saw several cars and other vehicles take avoiding action - quite a few spun round out of control.

That could have been due to cr*p tyres and/or poor/inappropriate driver reactions - but budget tyres would surely have given me less control.

Now of course I didn't rush around with a tyre-tread depth-gauge and a notebook taking down all the details of what rubber they had - but I was glad that I had premium brand tyres.

I rest my case M'lud.

Joe_Horner

Fair one, but (without having been there so not knowing the exact circumstances) I suspect I would have used my Landsails to accelerate underneath the wheel, judging the throttle to match its bounce. Isn't that just the situation all those hours playing Mario were preparing for?

In all seriousness, I agree that there's been some luck involved but the times when that's the deciding factor are far less frequent than most drivers seem to think.

Had an example last week on a roundabout on the A5 just inside the Welsh border. Had come up the hill to the roundabout and was turning right towards England. There was some SUV type thing entering to my right, indicating to turn left (into the road I was on). His line agreed with his indicator and, as his front wheels actually left the roundabout, I started to pull out, just as he changed his mind, swerved, and accelerated back onto the roundabout to go ahead to Wrexham.

I was stopped and reversed back behind the line (sometimes autos are handy ) before he got to me simply because I've learnt not to lose track of another vehicle just because you've decided what it's doing - you might be mistaken or they (as in this case) may change their mind without warning,.

The car on my left (turning towards Wrexham) who'd also started to go, had obviously lost interest in him, continued out, and very nearly ended up with a 4x4 in his drivers door.

Being closer, if I'd continued, I would have had him in my driver seat and (going by typical posting patterns) would have been on here asking whose fault it was. The answer would have been his mistake, my fault for not anticipating it.