Blackburn - The best place to make a living

kabayiri

GunJack wrote: »

flippin'eck, IT is/should be one of the most geographic non-dependant sectors out there... why is this apparently not the case??

IT is clearly not geographically dependent.

Practically all of us have software on our phones or laptops that originates in America.

Many of us have need to use help desk services to trouble shoot the products we use; a lot of that work is in India, and increasingly in South Africa too. Brazil is attracting more attention.

I have worked with hundreds of Indian contractors. Sometimes they come over here for short stints before going back to work remotely.

There are thousands and thousands of IT bods in India.

If I want custom programming for chip design it's easier to source from China and India than it is London.

There are a decent number of IT bods in London, but on a global scale they hardly register.

IT has seen more changes in workforce practise than practically any other industry, in terms of worker location and work patterns.

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

And stop rejecting development which could generate decent jobs and significant revenues for the region.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lancashire-councillors-decision-to-reject-fracking-a-serious-setback-for-shale-gas-in-uk-10353892.html

That's just stupid small thinking. The government will find ways round this. Fracking is an important development.

bugslet

mayonnaise wrote: »

And stop rejecting development which could generate decent jobs and significant revenues for the region.

And this:

http://www.runcornandwidnesworld.co.uk/news/9834771.Judge_quashes_Amazon_plans_for_Widnes/

In short, rejection on a new distribution shed for Amazon providing 1000 jobs because of the impact it might have on Hale Bank residents. Eh? It would have been sited just off the Runcorn -Widnes bridge next to a dual carriageway that links the M62 and M56. It doesn't go near the houses and a) the area is desperate for jobs and b) it is an industrial area, not some pretty, sleepy little village.

kabayiri

Generali wrote: »

Because it's become self-reinforcing. If you are ambitious and want to earn good money you head to London. As a result, the rest of the country is denuded of young talent to an extent. As a result, there are more opportunities in London so if you are ambitious......

There are two ways around this:

1. Wreck the economy of London out of spite
2. People living in not-London pull their fingers out and build businesses and success that will keep the motivated in their communities.

They might have said similar things about Detroit and the US motor industry 50 years ago, or Manchester/NW and the textile industry.

Things do change.

I mentioned before that one of the goals of this government is get more of our graduates earning a living abroad. I think this is a great idea and will help extend UK business in the long run.

GunJack

kabayiri wrote: »

IT is clearly not geographically dependent.

Practically all of us have software on our phones or laptops that originates in America.

Many of us have need to use help desk services to trouble shoot the products we use; a lot of that work is in India, and increasingly in South Africa too. Brazil is attracting more attention.

I have worked with hundreds of Indian contractors. Sometimes they come over here for short stints before going back to work remotely.

There are thousands and thousands of IT bods in India.

If I want custom programming for chip design it's easier to source from China and India than it is London.

There are a decent number of IT bods in London, but on a global scale they hardly register.

IT has seen more changes in workforce practise than practically any other industry, in terms of worker location and work patterns.

exactly my point

GunJack

lisyloo wrote: »

People are not economically mobile in the UK because

1) It's a big deal and costly to move house.
2) It's difficult if two of you (or maybe more) in the household have jobs. What if husband doesn't want to change his job when it's appropriate for the wife to move or vice versa?
3) It's not ideal to keep movng children especially at certain stages of their education.
4) People like to see their grandchildren and may even care for them.
5) People may have caring responsibilities (perhaps even daily) for their parents.
6) General link to friends, extended family, clubs and voluntary work.

I agree that for PEOPLE you are correct, but for IT work (which is what I was talking about in that post) your reasons wouldn't appear valid...sorry if I've misunderstood...

CLAPTON

GunJack wrote: »

I agree that for PEOPLE you are correct, but for IT work (which is what I was talking about in that post) your reasons wouldn't appear valid...sorry if I've misunderstood...

if you are correct
then there would be no IT jobs in London

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I live just near London.. and ironically my office is in the North West. We are an IT company.

You'll find a lot of the major IT firms work on the far outskirts of London - e.g. Microsoft/Oracle in Reading

lisyloo

but for IT work (which is what I was talking about in that post) your reasons wouldn't appear valid...sorry if I've misunderstood...

Ok, let me say it again.
My CEO isn't going to move the company from London because the professionals with 20 years experience won't move because of their mum/spouses job/child's school/grandchild/lovely house etc.
If my CEO could replace those UK people who have 20 years worth of experience & knowledge with bods in India then he would do it in a heartbeat, but you can't do that kind of transfer overnight (with my employer it will probably happen eventually).
Moving to Bangalore is much more likely than Blackburn.

I can't speak about other industries, but I would guess the reasons are also historical and it's expensive to move businesses/staff - even more so than paying London rents.

I am not claiming that there are any reasons to be in London for IT.
What I'm claiming is that if you are already here and employ knowledgeable and experienced staff then it's expensive and difficult to move.

Lots of people moan about London prices but the evidence is that it's not so bad that business/people will move out.

I'm not going to move voluntarily so why is it logical to expect other to do so just to make my life easier? It's not.

ess0two

bugslet wrote: »

Ah London so tempting.....



See Warrington is in the top 10, well I live in a WA postcode and I have Liverpool, Chester, Warrington within 15 minutes and Manchester within 30 minutes drive. Cheshire countryside on my doorstep and three major motorway nearby. Turn left out of my house and I'm 5 minutes walk from the canal towpath and a fantastic theatre, or turn right and 10 minutes from Runcorn Hill & Park with its tennis courts, bowls and brass band concerts in summer



Far as I can tell there's ropey bits in any town and good bits, but your money goes a heck of a lot further in the North;)

You must be in the vicinity of Heath road,Greenway road,Moughland lane.