Corbynomics: A Dystopia

cells

martinsurrey wrote: »

In 2013 UK coal mining directly employed about 4,000 people for 13million tonnes of coal output.

That means if we opened similar mines, we would need about 10,000 jobs to replace the 30m tonnes imported coal.

That's £600m for 10,000 jobs or £60,000 per job per year in subsidy...

Get real!

Even if we did open new mines, they wouldn't have 100'000's of men with pickaxes down them like the good old days (or not good days if you were down one, like my father), its an automated job.

Also it isn't about the 10,000 jobs. Even if it was just 10 men controlling robots miners. 30 million tons produced in the UK is what £1.5 billion off the trade balance.

also I think the government has a place in trying to boost exports and reduce imports. For example if the UK had no car manufacturing I would say it would be very important for the government to make sure that we did manufacturer cars in the UK. Be it setting a tarrif a quota or subsidising manufacturing here or hell even sending MI6 agents with suitcases full of cash and guns to bribe/scare German/Japanese car CEOs to set up shop here

Thrugelmir

cells wrote: »

For example if the UK had no car manufacturing I would say it would be very important for the government to make sure that we did manufacturer cars in the UK.

When the skills die away so will the jobs. Fortunately automotive is a UK speciality.

antrobus

cells wrote: »

...lets forget the subsidy for a moment and just pretend a world class coal deposit 1 meter below the surface is found just outside of Drax. An extremely cheap to mine deposit right next door to 10GW of coal plants.....

There are no coal deposits 1 meter below the surface to be found just outside of Drax. And besides, as already noted here, Corbynomics has decreed that open cast mining is "not acceptable" and thus you would have to leave it where it was.

cells wrote: »

...I dont actually think we should subsidise coal but I wouldn't be against DOE type subsidies into reserch for new ways to utilise the giant deposira of coal onshore and offshore in the UK....

How is it that you don't know that people are already looking at new ways to utilise the giant deposits of coal onshore and offshore in the UK.

http://www.cluffnaturalresources.com/projects.aspx

antrobus

cells wrote: »

Also it isn't about the 10,000 jobs. Even if it was just 10 men controlling robots miners. 30 million tons produced in the UK is what £1.5 billion off the trade balance...

I made it about £1 bn earlier, based on thermal coal being $40 a tonne and 42 MT of imports. As in, too small a number to be worth worrying about.

Besides, as already pointed out here, when all the coal fired power plants have been closed, we won't be importing any coal anyway.

martinsurrey

cells wrote: »

Also it isn't about the 10,000 jobs. Even if it was just 10 men controlling robots miners. 30 million tons produced in the UK is what £1.5 billion off the trade balance.

also I think the government has a place in trying to boost exports and reduce imports. For example if the UK had no car manufacturing I would say it would be very important for the government to make sure that we did manufacturer cars in the UK. Be it setting a tarrif a quota or subsidising manufacturing here or hell even sending MI6 agents with suitcases full of cash and guns to bribe/scare German/Japanese car CEOs to set up shop here

http://www.sstl.co.uk/

Now there is an industry that is worthy of support, its the future, not the past.

Generali

martinsurrey wrote: »

http://www.sstl.co.uk/

Now there is an industry that is worthy of support, its the future, not the past.

If there's one thing that Governments have shown down the generations it's that they're lousy at picking champions.

Put in place a sensible system for regulating business and the cream will rise to the top.

padington

Galloway and Max kieser have joined forces, Max is now galoways economic adviser for becoming London mayor. Max has now also decided to live permanently in London. All while asserting the left don't understand economics.

On another similar subject, my Tory manager announced yesterday that should Corbyn be on the ballot paper come the general election. She will probably vote for him.

Michael foot certainly never had this kind of magnetic allure for people not otherwise interested in left wing politics.

Generali

padington wrote: »

Galloway and Max kieser have joined forces, Max is now galoways economic adviser for becoming London mayor. Max has now also decided to live permanently in London. All while asserting the left don't understand economics.

In another note, my Tory manager announced yesterday that should Corbyn be on the ballot paper come the general election. She will probably will vote for him.

Michael foot certainly never had this kind of magnet allure for powple not otherwise interested in left wing politics.

I strongly suspect that if Mr Corbyn's past doesn't wreck his chances his complete lack of experience of running big stuff will.

Time, as always, will tell of course. The Tories have certainly lined up a nice little minefield for Mr Corbyn to present himself early on as a hard left nay-sayer on topics that the British electorate feels strongly about.

If they can get that to stick to Mr Corbyn, he'll be destroyed. The only question remaining will be whether he can lead Labour to the election or if he'll step down for someone else.

Something seems to be destroying Labour in the polls right now and as the whole Corbyn thing seems (from afar) to have been dominating the political pages in the absence of any other news it's hard to see what else it could be:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9470

ComRes’s monthly telephone poll for the Daily Mail is out today and has topline figures of CON 42%, LAB 28%, LDEM 8%, UKIP 9%, GRN 6%. The last time the Conservatives reached the heights of 42% in any poll was way back in 2010. Full tables for the poll are here.

In the olden days, the Tories would call a fresh election once the Labour party mess had all blown over and gotten themselves a proper majority.

antrobus

Generali wrote: »

....Something seems to be destroying Labour in the polls right now and as the whole Corbyn thing seems (from afar) to have been dominating the political pages in the absence of any other news it's hard to see what else it could be...

It could well be something to do with the fact that, since the Labour Party is giving everyone the distinct impression that it can't even run a leadership election without tripping over itself, it might be best if they weren't given the responsibility of running the country?

Thrugelmir

antrobus wrote: »

It could well be something to do with the fact that, since the Labour Party is giving everyone the distinct impression that it can't even run a leadership election without tripping over itself, it might be best if they weren't given the responsibility of running the country?

Are you suggesting that this is a set-up to divert attention away from the lack of coherent policies?