Corbynomics: A Dystopia

cells

Mistermeaner wrote: »

He's not going to win a General election though. He's bonkers.

What proportion of the voting age population is either unemployed, on benefits, on minimum wage or in public sector employment? Assuming they all vote and all vote Labour could Corbyn win a ge?

The conservatives won only a narrow majority. If corbyn can get a small percentage of the no shows to turn up then he can win a GE especially if he stands with the SNP

If he has a lot of ground support, which seems the case, they could mobilize and get the vote out especially in student hot-spots

Personally I think he can win the next GE and its more likely if he says he will only serve one term (which he probably will due to his age).

cells

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Im targeting mortgage paid off before the next ge in case this loon gets in and trashes the economy.

If that happens and my company goes under I'll either Scrounge off the state (either non working benefits or some public sector job like teaching) or if that doesn't work I'll go work in the eu. I'm paid and live in the UK currently but about 75% oo my time and income is derived from outside the UK anyway

If he wins he wont hold the powers of a dictator he still needs his own MPs to back any crazy ideas he has and if its true that half of them are blarites then that part of the party plus the conservative opposition will stop the extreme elements of his ideas. There is only so much change that can happen in a 4-5 year term

Thrugelmir

padington wrote: »

He's bonkers enough to offer something that's never been offered before that could change the whole game.

His style of politics has been here before. Just a regurgitation of old ideas in a shiny wrapper.

Can't wait to see who the Shadow Chancellor is..........

Shakethedisease

He's a conviction poltician with a lot of similarities to.. erm... Margaret Thatcher ?

An unelectable extremist who hijacked their party has already served as prime minister – her name was Margaret Thatcher

The Iron Lady's similarities with Jeremy Corbyn are striking – right up to her election, many Tories saw her as a walking electoral disaster

There’s a leadership battle. The party is torn between left and right. A candidate considered unelectable unexpectedly wins, creating an ideological rift. The knives come out, with fears the party will never win an election again. But the new leader sticks to their guns. They doggedly push through, and cause the biggest ideological shift in the party’s history.
The parallels between Margaret Thatcher’s election as Tory leader in 1975, championing the New Right, and Jeremy Corbyn’s unashamedly socialist takeover of Labour 40 years on, are striking.

Thatcher was the figurehead for a small neo-liberal gang, seen as having little potential traction with the wider electorate, even by her own party.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/an-unelectable-extremist-who-hijacked-their-party-has-already-served-as-prime-minister--her-name-was-margaret-thatcher-10482479.html

Interesting article.

Thrugelmir

cells wrote: »

The conservatives won only a narrow majority. If corbyn can get a small percentage of the no shows to turn up then he can win a GE especially if he stands with the SNP

Corbyn will split the Labour vote. More likely to gain the support of the Greens. Standing with the SNP probably isn't a wise stance to take.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Corbyn will split the Labour vote. More likely to gain the support of the Greens

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He'll split the Labour vote for a while, but not as much as one would think ( Scottish Labour are already hedging bets and looking for a free vote on Trident. Unthinkable a few months ago ).. And he'll capture Greens, young voters and Non-voters.

Standing with the SNP probably isn't a wise stance to take.

The SNP in Westminster will seem 'normal' after a while. Kind of like the Lib Dems did in coalition. If Labour and the SNP join forces opposing things that ordinary people have signed up in absolute droves to Labour for.. Then it's only Tories that will have a problem there.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

He's a conviction poltician with a lot of similarities to.. erm... Margaret Thatcher ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/an-unelectable-extremist-who-hijacked-their-party-has-already-served-as-prime-minister--her-name-was-margaret-thatcher-10482479.html

Interesting article.

It is an interesting article.

My feeling is that the writer ends up trying to sell a narrative rather than trying to tease out a narrative. The main difference I can see between Mrs Thatcher and Mr Corbyn is that Mrs Thatcher was really pushing a whole new set of ideas: get rid of the entrenched interests (unions, professional bodies, restrictive practices), give people the tools to make a difference to their own lives, encourage people to own their own home. In the face of a series of Governments that largely failed Britain from both the Tory and Labour parties that was an appealing idea.

Mr Corbyn on the other hand is really harking back to policies that failed the last time they were tried and would presumably fail again. Want nationalised utilities? You really want to wait 18 months for a phone line to be installed? Want British Rail back? You're nuts. Want to hand control of the country to the unions? Want to tax 'em til the pips squeak? It's all so 1970.

The current Government simply isn't failing hard enough for revolution to be in people's minds. It's important to remember the context of 1979: the IMF and the Winter of Discontent. Mr Corbyn might have had a shot in 2010 but not now.

padington

Generali wrote: »

It is an interesting article.

My feeling is that the writer ends up trying to sell a narrative rather than trying to tease out a narrative. The main difference I can see between Mrs Thatcher and Mr Corbyn is that Mrs Thatcher was really pushing a whole new set of ideas: get rid of the entrenched interests (unions, professional bodies, restrictive practices), give people the tools to make a difference to their own lives, encourage people to own their own home. In the face of a series of Governments that largely failed Britain from both the Tory and Labour parties that was an appealing idea.

Mr Corbyn on the other hand is really harking back to policies that failed the last time they were tried and would presumably fail again. Want nationalised utilities? You really want to wait 18 months for a phone line to be installed? Want British Rail back? You're nuts. Want to hand control of the country to the unions? Want to tax 'em til the pips squeak? It's all so 1970.

The current Government simply isn't failing hard enough for revolution to be in people's minds. It's important to remember the context of 1979: the IMF and the Winter of Discontent. Mr Corbyn might have had a shot in 2010 but not now.

Thatcher just harked back to a Victorian free market Britain didn't she? Nothing that was never completely new, just quite different to what directly proceeded her.

Generali

padington wrote: »

Thatcher just harked back to a Victorian free market Britain didn't she? Nothing that was never completely new, just quite different to what directly proceeded her.

Not really. She got rid a lot of the middle class/professional privileges as well as the working class ones.

In the Victorian era, the Doctors, accountants and bankers got to have things in place to stop competition and keep them in their privileged position. In The City, for example, her Government got rid of the broker/jobber fixed commission system and allowed brokers to deal directly with each other at whatever commission rate they saw fit to charge each other. This has led to a huge amount of consolidation and jobbers losing their (ahem) jobs entirely.

Mistermeaner

Can't see Cornyn picking up the green vote - isn't he planning on coal mining again.?

Times have changes and while public sector unions are still in the 70s alot of the private sector unions, while still archaic do recognise the need for a strong economy and profitable business - a corbyn would simply push business and new investment abroad and the jobs with it.

He is still dangerous because like ukip and the snp he appeals to the entitled biggotted ignorant, and there is alot of them