Corbynomics: A Dystopia

CLAPTON

Tromking wrote: »

I agree.
The bogeymen/women of British public life are no longer the Union Barons but are now the politicians. There's been a few Tories of late who are concerned enough to say that Corbyn might just be tapping into a latent feeling amongst the British people that government does not operate for the ordinary citizen and hasn't done for many years.
Change is coming.

maybe tories see a golden age in power for the next 20 years

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

difficult to see that the miners' strike could be seen as a struggle for better working conditions when the clear stated aim of the leaders was to bring down the elected government

I agree with you Clapton it is difficult for you to see anything outside your own particular view of the world. That's why I try to help you on occasion.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

maybe tories see a golden age in power for the next 20 years

Is this how they will finance it:-
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/26/conservatives-offer-day-of-special-access-to-ministers-for-2500

Just think Clapton for 2.5k you can have a selfie with the man!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

I agree with you Clapton it is difficult for you to see anything outside your own particular view of the world. That's why I try to help you on occasion.

do help then :
you're welcome to give your view of the miners' strike and to give your view about the decline in the mining industry

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

do help then :
you're welcome to give your view of the miners' strike and to give your view about the decline in the mining industry

it was a plot by thatcher to make the UK the galaxy richest nations in the year 2066 when we make first contact and find out that the universes most highly valued mineral is coal with high sulphur

whatever the reason its done now

Running_Horse

Graham_Devon wrote: »

You can claim your £5 after you've told me what's so bad about what I said.

Until that point, you are simply replying with what could be construed an insult with absolutely nothing to tell me what was wrong with what was said. Which is funny really, as that's the majority of the stuff I see being directed at Corbyn.

Do you disagree that importing coal involves price fluctuations?

Do you disagree that opening up coal mines will provide employment?

Do you disagree that employed people pay tax?

Do you disagree that the fewer unemployed there are, the lower the welfare bill is?

Do you disagree that many thousands of people were killed or disabled by the previous coal mining industry? The compensation bill has cost the taxpayer billions of pounds. You really want to send a generation of healthy young men deep underground to do highly polluting, loss making jobs that will cost them their health, and even their lives?

Shame on you.

Mistermeaner

Coal is old news, why on earth would you mine coal when cheaper cleaner and more useful alternatives are waiting for us to grab them.

Like shale

antrobus

Running_Horse wrote: »

Do you disagree that many thousands of people were killed or disabled by the previous coal mining industry? The compensation bill has cost the taxpayer billions of pounds. You really want to send a generation of healthy young men deep underground to do highly polluting, loss making jobs that will cost them their health, and even their lives?

Shame on you.

That is a massive exaggeration.:)

On the other hand, you are absolutely right. Working in a deep coal mine is about the worst job you can have. Why, on God's earth, you would want to promote that kind of employment, when there are so many alternatives available, I do not know.

martinsurrey

cells wrote: »

well wind mills and PV panels are subsidized for many of the same reasons, local jobs local taxes less imports blah blah blah

why not offer a local subsidy for new coal mining. Maybe £20 a ton.

Its not likely to be that costly. 30 million tons x £20 a ton = £600 million in subsidy or less than 50p a week for each household


also there is a huge huge quantity of coal in the UK and much more than that again in the north sea. The private sector if given subsidy might be able to develop ways to unlock that, eg underground coal gassification.

In 2013 UK coal mining directly employed about 4,000 people for 13million tonnes of coal output.

That means if we opened similar mines, we would need about 10,000 jobs to replace the 30m tonnes imported coal.

That's £600m for 10,000 jobs or £60,000 per job per year in subsidy...

Get real!

Even if we did open new mines, they wouldn't have 100'000's of men with pickaxes down them like the good old days (or not good days if you were down one, like my father), its an automated job.

Generali

antrobus wrote: »

UK coal production was fairly static at about 220 million tonnes or so during the 1950s, it is from the 1960s onwards it starts declining. The railways stopped using coal, we got natural gas, consumers switched to central heating, etc until we got to the position that virtually the only customers for coal were (a) electricity generators, and (b) steel producers.

The current problem is that a large number of the UK's existing coal powered generators do not meet emission standards, and are thus being closed down. The National Grid anticipates that they will all be gone by 2030. With no demand from domestic power generators, we wouldn't need to import any coal at all. I would therefore suggest that subsidising the production of something that we don't need would not be very sensible at all.

Not bad considering I studied economic history in 1994!

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